franka@hercules.UUCP (01/03/85)
If entropy is always increasing, where does it come from? Frank Adrian tektronix!teklds!franka
gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg Kuperberg) (01/04/85)
> > If entropy is always increasing, where does it come from? > Frank Adrian > tektronix!teklds!franka Yes, and how do they fit all that water into those little fire hydrants? --- Greg Kuperberg harvard!talcott!gjk " " -Charlie Chaplin, for IBM
gadfly@ihu1m.UUCP (Gadfly) (01/05/85)
-- >> If entropy is always increasing, where does it come from? >> Frank Adrian The Great Flood. -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 04 Jan 85 [15 Nivose An CXCIII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7188 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!iwsl8!ken *** ***
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (01/05/85)
> If entropy is always increasing, where does it come from?
Entropy is not a conserved thing, so it doesn't have to
"come from" anywhere. End of discussion, I hope.tjr@ihnet.UUCP (Tom Roberts) (01/07/85)
>> If entropy is always increasing, where does it come from? >> Frank Adrian >> tektronix!teklds!franka Entropy is an abstract property of a system, not an attribute of an object; it is basically a measure of the symmetry of the state-space of the system. The above question is similar to: Where does the number "three" come from? [This does not apply to all such measurements - e.g. "energy" is a property of an object, and has a totally different origin.] I think that "entropy" (and "three") are concepts which were created by the observation of the universe by intelligence; they have no "objective" existence in the "real" world. Tom Roberts AT&T Bell Laboratories ihnp4!ihnet!tjr
jps@stcvax.UUCP (Jeff Snover) (01/09/85)
-- >> If entropy is always increasing, where does it come from? >> Frank Adrian Why it was Eve that started entropy of course. If you don't believe me then read the bible. -- Chapter-11/Multiple-Mega-Layoff Survivor (for now...) Jeffrey P. Snover - STC StorageTek (Disk Division) uucp: { ihnp4, decvax}!stcvax!jps { allegra, amd70, ucbvax }!nbires!stcvax!jps USnail: Storage Technology Corp - MD 3T / Louisville, CO / 80028 DDD: (303) 673-6750
dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) (01/11/85)
<> > Why it was Eve that started entropy of course. If you don't believe > me then read the bible. > - Jeffrey P. Snover - STC StorageTek (Disk Division) Not the way I heard it. We Secular Humanists have a myth involving an architect, a surgeon, and an attorney. Says the surgeon, "Surgery is the oldest profession, for consider Adam's rib." Says the architect, who has not seen that movie, "Nonsense, the very act of creating order out of chaos at the beginning of time was a demonstration of architecture!" Says the attorney, "Aha! And who do you think created the chaos?" Furthermore, use any statistics program you want and compare the entropy with the number of attorneys. Run a correlation. See what I mean? And the contention that the Oldest Profession is prostitution is wholly consistent with what I just said... (Attorneys on the net: :-) Please don't sue!!! My grandfather was an attorney. He used to tell of finding an unhappy man staring at a tombstone. "A relative or friend?" asked my grandfather. "No, just a puzzlement," answered the other. "It says on the tombstone, 'Here lies a lawyer and an honest man.' Now why do you suppose they'd put two people in one grave?") I've got a million of 'em. -- D Gary Grady Duke U Comp Center, Durham, NC 27706 (919) 684-3695 USENET: {seismo,decvax,ihnp4,akgua,etc.}!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary