[net.physics] The "Perpetual Motion" Machine

bob@cadovax.UUCP (Bob "Kat" Kaplan) (03/22/85)

First of all, if a machine gets its energy from magnetism or the rotation
of the earth, then it's not a perpetual motion machine. No one claimed that
it was a perpetual motion machine.  So arguments of the sort "It can't work
because perpetual motion is impossible" tend to fall flat.

I've never seen a demonstration of the machine, and I don't know whether
it works or not.  What bothers me is the indignant and arrogant attitude
of all those who appeal to the "fundamental laws of physics" to ridicule
any theory or device which does not fall within the current scientific
paradigm.

Knee-jerk skeptics who dismiss ideas that don't happen to correspond to
their own beliefs would probably have laughed at Copernicus for suggesting
that the earth was not the center of the universe, or Columbus for suggesting
that the earth wasn't flat.
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ndiamond@watdaisy.UUCP (Norman Diamond) (03/25/85)

> Knee-jerk skeptics who dismiss ideas that don't happen to correspond to
> their own beliefs would probably have laughed at ...  Columbus for suggesting
> that the earth wasn't flat.

Speaking of myths being passed around of truth....

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ndiamond@watdaisy.UUCP (Norman Diamond) (03/25/85)

> Knee-jerk skeptics who dismiss ideas that don't happen to correspond to
> their own beliefs would probably have laughed at ... Columbus for suggesting
> that the earth wasn't flat.

Speaking about myths being passed around as truth ....

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rick@uwmacc.UUCP (the absurdist) (03/26/85)

>Knee-jerk skeptics who dismiss ideas that don't happen to correspond to
>their own beliefs would probably have laughed at Copernicus for suggesting
>that the earth was not the center of the universe, or Columbus for suggesting
>that the earth wasn't flat.

A:  "They LAUGHED at the Wright brothers, and said they were crazy!"
B:  "Yeah."
A:  "They LAUGHED at Columbus, and said he was crazy!"
B:  "Yeah."
A:  "They LAUGHED at the William Feghoot, and said he was crazy!"
B:  "Yeah.  Wait a minute, who was William Feghoot?"
A:  "He was my uncle.  He was crazy."
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ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) (03/27/85)

> > Knee-jerk skeptics who dismiss ideas that don't happen to correspond to
> > their own beliefs would probably have laughed at ... Columbus for suggesting
> > that the earth wasn't flat.
> 
> Speaking about myths being passed around as truth ....
> 
>    Norman Diamond

As Norman implies, the above is inaccurate.  *Educated* people in Columbus's
time (there weren't that many) knew that the Earth was a sphere.  Eratosthenes
showed that almost 2000 years before.  In fact, Queen Isabella's advisors 
had a pretty good idea of how large the Earth was.  As a result, they were
sure Columbus would die of thirst and starvation before reaching Asia.
If America had not popped up in his path that's just what would have happened.
Sometimes it can be more important to try something crazy than to know why it's
crazy.

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jlg@lanl.ARPA (03/30/85)

> Knee-jerk skeptics who dismiss ideas that don't happen to correspond to
> their own beliefs would probably have laughed at Copernicus for suggesting
> that the earth was not the center of the universe, or Columbus for suggesting
> that the earth wasn't flat.

All educated people in the days of Columbus knew that the Earth was
spherical.  So did most sailors.  The accepted cosmology of the time was
Ptolemy's.  The claim that Columbus made was that the circumference of the
earth was 15,000 mi. rather than the generally accepted 25,000 mi..
Unfortunately for Columbus, he was wrong.  Fortunately for Columbus, there
was a whole contenent in the way that he didn't know of.  The reason that
Columbus's crew was on the verge of mutiny was that they had passed the
point of no return (not enough provisions to return to Europe) before they
had sighted land and their compass was no longer pointing precisely north.


J. Giles