[net.physics] Einstein and causality

ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) (11/20/85)

[Note- this is a partial response to a flame from Mr. Gwyn concerning
       a previous article of mine..]

>Consider simultaneity: before Einstein, it was assumed that simultaneity was
>an inherent property of the relationship between two events; either they
>were simultaneous or they were not.  But Einstein pointed out that
>whether two events are perceived as simultaneous depends upon the location of
>the observer.  *Any* two different events will be appear to be simultaneous 
>to an observer at the right location. - Jim Balter

    This is an overstatement -- only two events separated by a SPACELIKE
    4-distance can be seen as `simultaneous' by an appropriately chosen 
    observer.

    BTW, two events which can be causally connected must be separated
    by a TIMELIKE (or NULL, in the limiting case) 4-distance. 

    4-distance is invariant to all observers, whereas the spatial or
    temporal separations vary according to observers. The formula
    for 4-distance between two events is:

		      ------------
		    \/	x*x - t*t

	where x is the spatial distance (in terms of the speed of light)..
	      t is the amount of time..

              ..separating the two events. 4-distances are categorized:
	      
	      >0        Spacelike
	      =0        Null
	      imaginary Timelike

    Timelike and null intervals are crucial to modern notions of 
    causality. Since 4-distances are invariant, if I throw a 
    rock thereby breaking a window, all observers will agree
    on the order of events (I threw the rock, then the window broke).

-michael

gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (11/29/85)

> [Note- this is a partial response to a flame from Mr. Gwyn concerning
>        a previous article of mine..]
> ...
> >to an observer at the right location. - Jim Balter

Uh, "Jim Balter" is not a pseudonym of mine, thanks just the same.
I tried to figure out what this message might nonetheless have to
do with anything I ever "flamed" about, but since it didn't say
anything I didn't already know I think you have simply misattributed
the posting to which you were responding.

The only thing I recall in this regard was a statement that Hume is
not the final word on causality.  Unless you were perhaps talking
about frictionless monkeys?