glennp@bronze.UUCP (06/17/83)
What about when there is a runner, say on first base, and the batter squares away to bunt...an obvious sacrifice. It is a perfect bunt, and there is no play on the batter. Doesn't this go down as a sacrifice? This may also come under the heading of fielder's choice, as it may be scored as a sacrifice and a fielder's choice.
ewp@ihuxn.UUCP (06/17/83)
I always thought the best way to get to first base was
1. a romantic dinner
2. soft music
3. a little wine
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sorry, I couldn't resistalb@alice.UUCP (06/25/83)
On the bunt situation you describe, here are the possible outcomes: 1) Both batter and runner are safe: batter gets a single 2) Runner is safe, batter is out on play to first: batter gets a sacrifice 3) Runner is out, batter is safe at first: fielder's choice. 4) Both batter and runner are out: good ol' double play.
berry@fortune.UUCP (06/26/83)
#R:bronze:-61600:fortune:10500003:000:265 fortune!berry Jun 25 17:23:00 1983 RE: sacrifices A batter's at bat is only scored as a sacrifice if the following conditions are met: 1. The batter is put out by throw to first or caught fly ball. 2. A runner scores from third. (note: this doesn't say advances a base, he *must* score.)
alb@alice.UUCP (06/27/83)
A runner need not score for a batter to be credited with a sacrifice. There are two types of sacrifice: SF (sac. fly) and sac (sac. bunt) A batter gets a SF if ANY runner successfully tags and advances; similarly, a batter gets a sac if ANY runner successfully advances while the batter is thrown out.
halle1@houxz.UUCP (06/27/83)
The rule regarding sacrifice flies has changed many times over the years. Usually it has flipflopped between a SF being credited only if a runner scores and being credited if anyone advances. I think the present rule is only on a score. It might change next year. Believe it or not, a sacrifice fly once counted as a hit, resulting in grossly inflated averages. This only lasted for a couple of years. I think Hack Wilson was the chief beneficiary. By the way, does anyone know how he caused an unassisted double play on a hit?
berry@fortune.UUCP (06/27/83)
#R:bronze:-61600:fortune:10500005:000:203 fortune!berry Jun 27 11:31:00 1983 Check your rule book again. I won't swear to what it says for the pro's but for college (NCAA) and down, the runner must score for a sacrifice to be credited... scorekeeper/umpire for many years...
halle1@houxz.UUCP (07/06/83)
Wrong again. The two sacrifices have been confused. Sacrifice Fly (SF):A fly ball is hit, and the runner scores. Note that someone must score as a result of the fly ball, not necessarily from third. Also, the batter need not be out, as the fielder could drop the ball. Sacrifice Bunt (S):A bunt advancing a runner. No one need score; it is just necessary that someone advance a base as a result of the bunt. Again, the batter might be safe. For instance, the runner beats the throw to second. In this instance, it is a S on a bunt, or a FC on a swing.