david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (08/16/84)
So you read about Rose being traded to Cincinnatti in the papers. The
news is not that he was traded, but that it was to the Reds. After
all, I did tell you immediately after the Driessen trade that Pete
would be traded or would ask to be traded within a month.
So now Pete can start himself at first base every day. The race to
catch Cobb goes on! and on... and on...
Here's a nice topic for net discussion: what kind of manager is Rose
going to make? I'd type him as the NL's answer to Billy Martin. He'll
probably get maximum production from the younger players, and the
veterans will be sick of him in six months.
David Rubin
{allegra|astrovax|princeton}!fisher!daviddave@rlgvax.UUCP (Dave Maxey) (08/21/84)
> = David Rubin >So you read about Rose being traded to Cincinnatti in the papers. The >news is not that he was traded, but that it was to the Reds. After >all, I did tell you immediately after the Driessen trade that Pete >would be traded or would ask to be traded within a month. Nice, David. It's difficult, however, to say that he was "traded". It is a manager's job after all. And it's no big news that he was upset about not playing for the Expos. Also, according to all the papers, he has been talking to the Reds for several weeks about this deal. (as an aside, Cincinnati is spelled with one 't'). >So now Pete can start himself at first base every day. The race to >catch Cobb goes on! and on... and on... Well, Pete hasn't been starting himself for all of the first four games that he has managed for the Reds, so far. In fact, it was made clear that the emphasis would be on managing and not playing. As for Ty Cobb's record, at the rate he has been hitting/playing (8 hits in 15 at bats before tonight's game), it will be next year before he surpasses it, at the very earliest. >Here's a nice topic for net discussion: what kind of manager is Rose >going to make? I'd type him as the NL's answer to Billy Martin. He'll >probably get maximum production from the younger players, and the >veterans will be sick of him in six months. I read an article recently in the Washington Post that mentioned that of all of the Superstars-turned-manager, only two of them ever managed to turn in winning seasons. On the other hand, Pete Rose was the captain of the Reds when he was in Cincinnati, therefore, he is already recognized as a leader. As for the veterans being sick of him in six months, right now Clemente is doing better than he has done all season, since Rose took over. It will take a while for us to see what kind of manager he makes. I suspect that he will act much as Anderson did when he took over the Reds, many years ago. He will make lots of changes, and play lots of rookies. Not because he wants to just play younger players, but because he has a losing season with which to experiment (being 20 games out is having lost, at this point). For that reason (experimentation), you can't even blame him that much for the 1 and 3 record they have since he took over. (This includes the 9-7 loss the Reds took from the Cardinals tonight). The offense has been good, but the pitching and defense has been the pits. If he can turn it around for the rest of this season, and come up with a winning season next year, then we'll know he's good manager material. If it doesn't look good next year, don't expect him back for another season after that. Red managers, since Sparky, have a short life expectancy. Time will tell. - Dave Maxey (alias tbm) {seismo,mcnc,brl-bmd,allegra}!rlgvax!dave