pannell@dosadi.DEC (Roger D. Pannell 229-6893 LTN1-1/D03) (04/16/85)
While I was watching the Reds-Braves game last night, a question came to mind
that I wasn't quite sure what the answer was.
With Pete Rose playing first base, how many times is he allowed to visit the
mound to talk to the pitcher? I know a manager/coach has to change pitchers
on his second visit to the mound but what if that manager is also playing?
Also, I don't know if any of you watched the game but there was a play
involving Pete that was very unlike Charley Hustle. Once while he was batting
he swung and just tipped the ball. He broke for first base, the ball hit the
ground about 5 feet down the first base line in foul territory (just outside
the line), Pete stopped running, the ball rolled fair, Cerone picked it up and
tagged Rose for the out. The Atlanta announcers wondered out loud if the
Cincinnati manager would fine Rose for lack of hustle. Rose did remove
himself from the lineup after that, maybe for defensive purposes.
My predictions:
NL Playoffs Atlanta Braves
NY Mets
AL Playoffs Kansas City Royals
Boston Red Sox
World Series: NY Mets
Kansas City Royals
World Champs: NY Mets
NOTE: When Horner's healthy, Murphy is the BEST.
-- Roger Pannell
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>/***** hpmtla:net.sport.base / decwrl!pannell / 8:46 am Apr 16, 1985*/ >While I was watching the Reds-Braves game last night, a question came to mind >that I wasn't quite sure what the answer was. > >With Pete Rose playing first base, how many times is he allowed to visit the >mound to talk to the pitcher? I know a manager/coach has to change pitchers >on his second visit to the mound but what if that manager is also playing? > >Also, I don't know if any of you watched the game but there was a play >involving Pete that was very unlike Charley Hustle. Once while he was batting >he swung and just tipped the ball. He broke for first base, the ball hit the >ground about 5 feet down the first base line in foul territory (just outside >the line), Pete stopped running, the ball rolled fair, Cerone picked it up and >tagged Rose for the out. The Atlanta announcers wondered out loud if the >Cincinnati manager would fine Rose for lack of hustle. Rose did remove >himself from the lineup after that, maybe for defensive purposes. > >My predictions: > >NL Playoffs Atlanta Braves > NY Mets > >AL Playoffs Kansas City Royals > Boston Red Sox > > >World Series: NY Mets > Kansas City Royals > > >World Champs: NY Mets > > >NOTE: When Horner's healthy, Murphy is the BEST. > > -- Roger Pannell > >ARPA: pannell%dosadi.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA, pannell%dosadi.DEC@Purdue-Merlin.ARPA >UUCP: {allegra, decvax, ucbvax}!decwrl!rhea!dosadi!pannell >/* ---------- */ HO! HO! HO! HEE! HEE! HEE! NYUK! NYUK! NYUK!
man@bocar.UUCP (M Nevar) (04/18/85)
When a manager is also playing in the game, he can only visit the mound once without removing the pitcher. At least that's the way the rule was a few years ago. I don't know if it's been changed.
bobn@bmcg.UUCP (Bob Nebert) (04/22/85)
> > When a manager is also playing in the game, he can only visit > the mound once without removing the pitcher. At least that's > the way the rule was a few years ago. I don't know if it's > been changed. If the player/manager walks onto the DIRT of the mound it is a trip to the mound. If he wanders toward the mound to toss the ball to the pitcher, it is not a visit. A TOTALLY GRAY AREA IN MY OPINION.
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (04/24/85)
Two comments on Roger's posting:
(1) Pete Rose is still bound by mound visit limits (the second
time he visits in an inning, he must change pitchers).
However, unlike a dugout manager, he can easily shout to
his pitcher from his position...
(2) Data on Murphy's performance in this year's Bill James's
Baseball Abstract seems to show that Murphy performs as
well without Horner in the lineup as with Horner. In
fact, I'd add the observation that had the Braves won the
NL West, Murphy had the stats which would have likely
gotten him that third consecutive MVP. I'd therefore
speculate that Horner's presence does improve Murphy's
chance at getting an MVP, not by making Murphy himself
more productive, but by making the Braves more
competitive.
David Rubin
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