jay@npois.UUCP (Anton Winteroak) (07/18/85)
No sense fuming about it. Gooden was on two days rest after a complete game. All in all the east was fairly well represented. I am certain that if gooden was rested, he'd have started. Who cares, the pitching more than did the job anyway. There was a fifth pitcher.
roy@hpmtla.UUCP (roy) (07/19/85)
/***** hpmtla:net.sport.base / fisher!david / 5:40 pm Jul 18, 1985*/ > > Well, I watched the all star game until the 8th when > Reardon came on. What's going on here ? Why didn't Gooden pitch ? > > Hoyt 12-4, 2.93 ERA > Gooden 12-3, 1.98 ERA (or is 1.78?) with many more K's > > So why did Hoyt start ? Because *Dick* Williams was the > manager, that's why. Foo. What a joke. Maybe Hoyt shouldn't have been the starter (in fact, I'm pretty darn sure he shouldn't have been), but Williams did have 140 good reasons not to start Gooden. That's the number of pitches Gooden threw three nights earlier in a complete game shut-out in Houston. Except for Ryan, who was under special dispensation due to his 4000th career strikeout, Hoyt gives up about half a run more per game than any other pitcher on the NL's staff. > Also, note the pitchers were (assuming no one came on after > Reardon): > Hoyt SD > Ryan HN > Valenzuela LA > Reardon MON > NO ONE FROM THE NL EAST!!! Gossage came on after Reardon, but I'm sure that will not soothe you. However, by now you've gotten umpteen letters telling you that Montreal is in the East. It's just happenstance that Gooden was essentially unavailable and Andujar threw a fit. Otherwise, NL Eastern pitchers would likely habe gotten more innings. > DW must be a first class jerk ... Well, he is, but more because he orders his pitchers to throw beanballs (violent) than because he blatantly favors his own ballplayers in all-star games (venal). He's a real jerk, and a darn good manager to boot. Incidentally, I can't believe he had the hutzpah to start Kennedy ahead of Virgil and Pena. Both outpower him, both outhit him, and Kennedy certainly doesn't outfield either of them. Kennedy DOES have more rbi's, but that's because he bats in the middle of a productive San Diego order rather than in one of the leaner offenses in Pennsylvania. Since Dick saw fit to start FIVE out of nine positions with Padres (two were at his discretion), I think we non-San Diego fans ought to seriously consider refusing to vote for a single Padre next season. > And foo to Andujar for being a crybaby. He may have had a > point, he deserves to start more than Hoyt (I think so) (but not > as much as Gooden) but that's no reason to go into a huff. Gee, I > thought these were grown men. It takes an all-star snubbing to tell the men from the boys. David Rubin {allegra|astrovax|princeton}!fisher!david /* ---------- */
roy@hpmtla.UUCP (roy) (07/19/85)
/***** hpmtla:net.sport.base / roy / 2:31 pm Jul 23, 1985*/ /***** hpmtla:net.sport.base / fisher!david / 5:40 pm Jul 18, 1985*/ > > Well, I watched the all star game until the 8th when > Reardon came on. What's going on here ? Why didn't Gooden pitch ? > > Hoyt 12-4, 2.93 ERA > Gooden 12-3, 1.98 ERA (or is 1.78?) with many more K's > > So why did Hoyt start ? Because *Dick* Williams was the > manager, that's why. Foo. What a joke. Maybe Hoyt shouldn't have been the starter (in fact, I'm pretty darn sure he shouldn't have been), but Williams did have 140 good reasons not to start Gooden. That's the number of pitches Gooden threw three nights earlier in a complete game shut-out in Houston. Except for Ryan, who was under special dispensation due to his 4000th career strikeout, Hoyt gives up about half a run more per game than any other pitcher on the NL's staff. > Also, note the pitchers were (assuming no one came on after > Reardon): > Hoyt SD > Ryan HN > Valenzuela LA > Reardon MON > NO ONE FROM THE NL EAST!!! Gossage came on after Reardon, but I'm sure that will not soothe you. However, by now you've gotten umpteen letters telling you that Montreal is in the East. It's just happenstance that Gooden was essentially unavailable and Andujar threw a fit. Otherwise, NL Eastern pitchers would likely habe gotten more innings. > DW must be a first class jerk ... Well, he is, but more because he orders his pitchers to throw beanballs (violent) than because he blatantly favors his own ballplayers in all-star games (venal). He's a real jerk, and a darn good manager to boot. Incidentally, I can't believe he had the hutzpah to start Kennedy ahead of Virgil and Pena. Both outpower him, both outhit him, and Kennedy certainly doesn't outfield either of them. Kennedy DOES have more rbi's, but that's because he bats in the middle of a productive San Diego order rather than in one of the leaner offenses in Pennsylvania. Since Dick saw fit to start FIVE out of nine positions with Padres (two were at his discretion), I think we non-San Diego fans ought to seriously consider refusing to vote for a single Padre next season. > And foo to Andujar for being a crybaby. He may have had a > point, he deserves to start more than Hoyt (I think so) (but not > as much as Gooden) but that's no reason to go into a huff. Gee, I > thought these were grown men. It takes an all-star snubbing to tell the men from the boys. David Rubin {allegra|astrovax|princeton}!fisher!david /* ---------- */ /* ---------- */
roy@hpmtla.UUCP (roy) (07/19/85)
>It takes an all-star snubbing to tell the men from the boys.
...or the boys from the very little boys...
Roy