[net.sport.baseball] Cubs "Career" Seasons of 84

jmh@ltuxa.UUCP (Jon M. Hanrath) (08/22/85)

In regard to David Rubin and Whitey Herzog's comments of the Cubs
"career seasons" of 1984 - it just doesn't seem to be true.
I have looked up (in Bill James' Baseball Abstract) the 1984
stats of the Cubs starters vs. their career averages and here they are:

Name        G  AB   Hit  2B 3B HR R  RBI  BB SO  SB  AVG
Durham 84  137 473  132  30  4 23 86  96  69 86  16  .279
  career       565  161  31  8 21 89  91  70 101 25  .285

Sandberg   156 636  200  36 19 19 114 84  52 101 32  .314
  career       641  180  32  9 11 105 62  47 91  34  .282

Cey        146 505  121  27  0 25 71  97  61 108  3  .240
  career       572  150  26 2  25 78  93  81  94  2  .263

Bowa       133 391   87  14  2  0 33  17  28  24  10 .223
  career       615  161  19  7  1 73  38  35  41  23 .261

Matthews   147 491  143  21  2 14 101 82  103 97  17 .291
  career       594  170  27  5 19 92  82  75  91  17 .286

Dernier    143 536  149  26  5  3 94  32  63  60  45 .278
  career       453  119  18  3  3 78  27  47  60  51 .263

Moreland   140 495  138  17  3 16 59  80  34  71  1  .279
  career       543  154  23  3 16 62  83  49  70  1  .283

Davis      150 523  134  25  2 19 55  94  47  99  5  .256
  career       543  142  27  2 20 55  83  46 104  2  .262

Cotto      105 146  40    5  0  0 24   8   10 23  9  .274
  career       225  62    8  0  0 37   12  15 35  14 .274

Now these stats reflect the 1984 totals of the starters and
their "carrer stats in seasonal notation" (out of the Abstract).
The seasonal notation is basically what they would be expected to do 
in an average season.

I seems to me that Durham, Matthews, Moreland, Davis, and Cotto
had average seasons, Cey and Bowa had a bit less than average, and
Dernier and Sandberg had better than average seasons.  That doesn't
sound like what Herzog was stating.  In fact, I would say given
Sandberg's stats from this year (.295, 19 HRs, less triples, but
many runs and 55 RBI) that he had maybe only a little better than
average year last year, which leaves us with only Dernier.

It is true that Dernier was a big part of the offense, and also
Sutcliffe DEFINITELY had a "career year".  The other pitchers 
(Eckersley, Ruthven, Sanderson) had average years, with Trout having
'a little above average year with a 13-7 record.

However, I don't think one can say that "8 or 9" guys had career
seasons for the Cubs in 1984.  Herzog just has a big mouth and he
always has to say something.

Everything went well last year for the Cubs, no injuries (few injuries)
and a lot of "hunger" and luck.  I agree with David Rubin in that
the Cub hitting ("clutch hitting") isn't helping things this year
along with the pitching woes.

There's always next year.

Side Note: The Brewers pull within 17.5 of the Jays!!!

Jon Hanrath
ihnp4!ltuxa!jmh

radio@spuxll.UUCP (Rick Farina) (08/23/85)

> In regard to David Rubin and Whitey Herzog's comments of the Cubs
> "career seasons" of 1984 - it just doesn't seem to be true.
> I have looked up (in Bill James' Baseball Abstract) the 1984
> stats of the Cubs starters vs. their career averages and here they are:
> 
> Name        G  AB   Hit  2B 3B HR R  RBI  BB SO  SB  AVG
> Durham 84  137 473  132  30  4 23 86  96  69 86  16  .279
>   career       565  161  31  8 21 89  91  70 101 25  .285
>
...

Yes, but how did you arrive at those career statistics? Does the career
line include 1984? If it does, then the career numbers don't prove your
point, especially since the career stats of the less-experienced Cubs 
(Sandberg, Dernier, Davis) might merely be skewed in favor of their 
1984 career year.

Aw c'mon. Let's face it: last year the Cubs were magic, 
this year they're mud.

raf
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