[net.sport.baseball] New YUCH vs Canada

djvh@drutx.UUCP (VanHandelDJ) (09/19/85)

>> I understand that after the initial incident, an annoucement
>> was read, regarding the assistance that the govt. of Canada
>> supplied the U.S. during the hostage crisis in Iran, sheltering
>> Americans an bringing home safely, before the Anthem was played
>> the next game.  The N.Y. fans showed their lack of class, booing
>> again.
>
> The Boston Globe described the same incident as a classy act of
> management reminding the fans of what Canada has done.  Yes, the Yankee
> fans booed, but they were booing the opposition in a pennant race, which
> I find entirely understandable.  I guess the excitement of your first 
> race got to your head and colored your judgement.  Season yourself
> some and keep from showing your own lack of class next time, before
> labeling others. 

	If they want to boo the Jays, go ahead.  Booing another country's
National Anthem is inexcusable.  The fact that the Yankees and Mets are
both doing well doesn't make it OK, either.  It doesn't seem unreasonable
to suggest that New York has more fans with a lack of class than most other
baseball cities.
	Would it also be entirely understandable to boo the National Anthem
of another country winning a medal over the U.S.A. in the Olympics?
I think the excitement of baseball has colored your judgement, Dan.

						Dave Van Handel
						drutx!djvh

jmh@ltuxa.UUCP (Jon M. Hanrath) (09/20/85)

I have to agree with Dave Van Handle (and others) that the
booing of the National Anthem of Canada was inexcusable.  I 
would never THINK of such a thing for ANY country, let alone
our neighbors to the north.  Besides the Canadian National anthem
is such a beautiful song (I always sing along whenever the Cubs
play the  Expos or the Brewers play the Jays) that you should be
happy to hear it played.

In other news: Steve Stone says that Ray Knight should change his
name to "Mookie" so that when the Mets fans boo him, he'll just
think they're saying his name. -:)

Re: Pena vs. Carter - I think that Ned Yost makes this argument
moot.

Finally; I hope that the Jays fans don't boo our N.A.  because
then it shows that not everyone has to be so petty.  It's pretty
tough to have ~60,000 fans not boo after the NY incident, though.

Jon Hanrath

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wiso@ihwpt.UUCP (Jack Wisowaty) (09/20/85)

Booing a country's national anthem is appalling.  While in college at
Syracuse the Russian National team came to play an exhibition game.  
Instead of booing the Russian anthem, people voiced their opinions by 
actually singing our national anthem, it was quite moving.  I'm sure the
Russians got the message.

--Jack Wisowaty

malcolm@utcsri.UUCP (Malcolm MacPhail) (09/21/85)

>> I understand that after the initial incident, an annoucement
....
On Tuesday, Sept 17th, the new U.S. Ambassador to Canada made an
official apology to Canada reguarding the booing of the Canadian anthem.

Now it has been announced that Mary O'Dowd, the singer who could not
remember the words or tune of the Canadian anthem at the Saturday game, 
will be singing the anthems during the NY-Toronto series in Oct.

> 	Would it also be entirely understandable to boo the National Anthem
> of another country winning a medal over the U.S.A. in the Olympics?
I fear that a few Toronto fans will boo during the American anthem when
the Yankees come to Toronto, but probably not too many will. Sort of
a tit for tat I suppose. We will see.

P.S.  Both the Jays and Yankees were destroyed in their last outings,
	Bosox 13  Jays 1.	Detroit 10  Yankees 3.
--
				Malcolm MacPhail,
				Department of Computer Science,
				University of Toronto

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malcolm@utcsri.UUCP (Malcolm MacPhail) (09/21/85)

> In other news: Steve Stone says that Ray Knight should change his
> name to "Mookie" so that when the Mets fans boo him, he'll just
> think they're saying his name. -:)
   Toronto has a little used player named Lou Thorton, and when
he comes up to hit the fans chant out "Lou... Lou ...", and every time
the TV/Radio announcers tell the audience that the fans are not booing.
 
> Finally; I hope that the Jays fans don't boo our N.A.  because
> then it shows that not everyone has to be so petty.  It's pretty
> tough to have ~60,000 fans not boo after the NY incident, though.
> 
    Last night (Friday) Toronto played it's first home game since the NY
booing.  There was not one boo or hiss during the American anthem.  The
game was against the Brewers, so maybe some idiots will "retaliate" and
boo when the Yankees show up.
--
				Malcolm MacPhail,
				Department of Computer Science,
				University of Toronto

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dpb@philabs.UUCP (Paul Benjamin) (09/23/85)

> I have to agree with Dave Van Handle (and others) that the
> booing of the National Anthem of Canada was inexcusable.  I 
> would never THINK of such a thing for ANY country, let alone
> our neighbors to the north.  Besides the Canadian National anthem
> is such a beautiful song (I always sing along whenever the Cubs
> play the  Expos or the Brewers play the Jays) that you should be
> happy to hear it played.

I agree completely, too. The thing that really galls me is that
the singer botched it all up so badly. As someone with a music
degree, who has sung at various events, I can easily testify to
the fact that your mind can go blank. But a professional singer
prepares for this (cheat sheet, etc.), and New York certainly
has thousands of professional singers. So there was no excuse
for bungling it like that.

franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) (09/24/85)

[Not food]

In article <452@philabs.UUCP> dpb@philabs.UUCP (Paul Benjamin) writes:
>I agree completely, too. The thing that really galls me is that
>the singer botched it all up so badly. As someone with a music
>degree, who has sung at various events, I can easily testify to
>the fact that your mind can go blank. But a professional singer
>prepares for this (cheat sheet, etc.), and New York certainly
>has thousands of professional singers. So there was no excuse
>for bungling it like that.

A singer screwing up a public performance of a song is certainly
being unprofessional.  But there is relatively little implied
disrespect for Canada in this failure.  This does not apply to
the booing, which is outrageous.

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