[net.sport.baseball] O Canada vs. New York

sahayman@watcgl.UUCP (Steve Hayman) (09/23/85)

Isaac Dimitrovsky writes (from New York) about the running O Canada controversy:

>
>Oh well, I don't think anybody in Canada knows the words either.
>

Um, do you have any statistics to back up this strange statement?  I know
it's sort of a running gag up here that nobody knows the words (especially
since a slight modification of the first verse a few years ago) but
never have I met any Canadian who doesn't know either the new version
or the old version.  They do teach this in school!

Incidentally, this Canadian has found it very refreshing to read in
this group that many Americans were embarassed by Mary O'Dowd's anthem
performance too.  And that they like the tune!  (wait until you see the video!)
Obviously relations between our two countries are still good.

But we'll see come Series time.  A reporter from a paper in Ft. Lauderdale
phoned the Blue Jays office last week, wanting to know how many
hours of darkness Toronto experiences in October.  He was wondering if
perhaps there was 24-hour darkness...

Steve Hayman
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dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) (09/24/85)

In article <2537@watcgl.UUCP> sahayman@watcgl.UUCP (Steve Hayman) writes:
>Isaac Dimitrovsky writes (from New York) about the running O Canada controversy:
>
>>Oh well, I don't think anybody in Canada knows the words either.
>>
>Um, do you have any statistics to back up this strange statement?  I know
>it's sort of a running gag up here that nobody knows the words (especially
>since a slight modification of the first verse a few years ago) but
>never have I met any Canadian who doesn't know either the new version
>or the old version.  They do teach this in school!

Actually, they don't teach all the words in school. A couple of
years ago, the person invited to sing the anthems at Exhibition
Stadium sang the words to the second verse. Toronto fans, not
realizing what he was doing and thinking he was making up new
words, booed him! What's worse, the Toronto newspapers picked up the
story that he'd made up new words and published it. Not until a
day later did the editors realize that it was the second verse.

	O Canada
	Where pines and maples grow
	Great prairies spread
	And lordly rivers flow
	How dear to us thy broad domain
	From east to western sea
	Thy land of hope for all who toil
	We stand on guard for thee

(I think that's right. I learned it many years ago.)

Dave Sherman
The Law Society of Upper Canada
Toronto
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shindman@utcs.uucp (Paul Shindman) (09/24/85)

Ok...you trivia buffs and nationalists...what's the 3rd verse???

I'll post it in a couple of days (if nobody else does, and if I can
find my music book at home with it...)
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nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (09/25/85)

A question for you, How many Americans know all four verses of our
NAtional Anthem?  (I don't.)
-- 
James C. Armstrong, Jnr.	{ihnp4,cbosgd,akgua}!abnji!nyssa

I'll keep an eye on the old man, he seems to have a knack for getting
himself into trouble!

-who said it, what story?

ryan@fremen.DEC (Mike Ryan DTN 264-8280 MKO1-2/E25) (09/26/85)

There are American fans with class (outside of New York, at least:-). When
the Blue Jays came to Fenway Park in June, O Canada was cheered as loudly
as the Star-Spangled Banner, and also sung as loudly on Flag Day (the words
were displayed on the scoreboard). Of course, we've all suffered through
enough Bruins-Canadiens games to know the tune quite well:-). 

Back to baseball, I see the Blue Jays taking it all (probably over St.
Louis). They're the best balanced team in baseball (and this is from
someone who's never seen them win - the Sox swept them at Fenway this
year). As for the weather in Toronto, I read this morning that the mean
temperatures for October in Toronto are about a degree *higher* than those
in Milwaukee.

Mike Ryan
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robertj@garfield.UUCP (Robert Janes) (09/28/85)

About Canadians not knowing the second verse of Oh Canada.

There are several different versions of Oh Canada in English, all
with minor and not so minor differences. There is however one version
which has been officially adopted as Canada's national anthem by
Parliament. This is the "....rights and liberty..." version and has no
second verse. The government is encouraging people to learn the words
of this version as the offical national anthem. In fact when I was up
on Signal Hill ( in St. John's ) at 5:00 am July 1 they had little cards
printed up with the offical French and English versions.

							Cheers
							Robert Janes

lip@gcc-bill.ARPA (Seth Lipkin) (09/28/85)

In article <884@utcs.uucp> shindman@utcs.UUCP (Paul Shindman) writes:
>Ok...you trivia buffs and nationalists...what's the 3rd verse???

Ruler Supreme, who hearest humble prayer,
Hold our dominion in thy loving care.
Help us to find, Oh God, in thee,
A lasting rich reward.
While waiting for a better day,
We ever stand on guard.

Oh Canada.
Glorious and free.
We stand on guard,
We stand on guard for thee (for thee!)
Oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

And some French, including blatant spelling and grammar mistakes:

Oh Canada,
Terre de nos aieux.
Ton front est ceint,
De fleurons glorieux.
Cartons bras sait porter l'epee.
Il sait porter la croix.
Ton histoire est une epopee,
De plus brilliant exploits.
Et ta valeur,
De fois trompee.
Protegera nos foyers et nos droit (no droits!?!)
Protegera nos foyers et nos droit.

...and I'm from Philly (Go Flyers!)...

Seth Lipkin
General Computer Company
Cambridge, MA 02142

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phyllis@utcsri.UUCP (Phyllis Eve Bregman) (09/30/85)

The day after the O Canada fiasco, WPLJ, the number one rock
station in New York City, apologized to all Canadians living
in the area for the unmannerly conduct of the US citizens at
the game, that is, the boos, hisses, thrown eggs, etc., and 
played O Canada on the radio.

-- 
		Phyllis Eve Bregman
		CSRI, Univ. of Toronto
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