bherman@zaphod.UUCP (Bob Herman) (09/14/85)
CLASS - HIGH QUALITY, ELEGANCE CIVILITY - COURTESY, POLITENESS ******* SEPTEMBER 12, 1985 ******* new yorkers SHOW APPALLING LACK OF CLASS AND CIVILITY!!!!!! THE new york fans BOOING THE CANADIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM WHILE THROWING BOTTLES UNDERMINED THEIR ALREADY FRAIL MENTALITIES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE OUR TEAM BUT HOW ABOUT A LITTLE RESPECT FOR OUR SOVEREIGNTY! ONE OF 22,000,000 OTHER PROUD CANADIANS -- "Go ahead -- Bite the big apple -- Don't mind the MAGGOTS!!!" -- Mick Jaggar -- "Shattered"
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (09/16/85)
> CLASS - HIGH QUALITY, ELEGANCE > CIVILITY - COURTESY, POLITENESS > ******* SEPTEMBER 12, 1985 ******* > new yorkers SHOW APPALLING LACK OF CLASS AND CIVILITY!!!!!! > THE new york fans BOOING THE CANADIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM WHILE THROWING BOTTLES > UNDERMINED THEIR ALREADY FRAIL MENTALITIES. > YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE OUR TEAM BUT HOW ABOUT A LITTLE RESPECT FOR OUR > SOVEREIGNTY! > ONE OF 22,000,000 OTHER PROUD CANADIANS Actually, the all-time low for fan "class and civility" certainly belongs to Canadian fans (specifically, Expo fans). A few years ago, before he was called the "Terminator", Jeff Reardon was having a MISERABLE season. Expo fans booed Reardon unmercifully every time he appeared in a game; the chorus would begin the moment his name was announced. This, of course, is acceptable; however, one day the Expo wives were playing a charity softball game prior to the main feature. When the lineups were announced, the fans began to boo Reardon's wife. So loud and persistent were they, Mrs. Reardon left the field in tears before the fans would let up. I'm sure AL fans have similar anecdotes regarding the behavior of Toronto fans. No nationality can claim innocence. At least here (North America), the abuse is verbal... David Rubin
cjsgro@watrose.UUCP (Carlo Sgro) (09/16/85)
as an addendum to the previous article: 1) after being *reminded* of what we did for your boys in iran, there were still some idiots that booed the anthem on friday. 2) on saturday, the person who sang the anthem had to return to the dugout after the first lines *because she realized she didn't know the words*! after getting the words, she proceeded to make up her own tune! this made front page news in the toronto sunday newspapers. 3) most importantly, we won three of four from the mighty yankees in their own park! today's game was a decisive 8-5 victory (that was 8-0 going into the eighth inning). the new york blankees are now 4.5 back of the jays. 4) all of this was accomplished without damaso garcia and willie upshaw, who were both injured for most of the series. 5) i won't say anything about terminator south, tom henke. (unless you ask) 6) toronto's schedule looks like this: home: milwaukee * 4, boston * 3, yanks * 3 road: boston * 2, milwaukee * 3, detroit * 3 + one home strike date against baltimore if necessary i think that the yankees have detroit and baltimore (+ the jays) slated year but i'm not sure who else they play. in summary, i think that those yankee fans who were saying that the jays were going to wilt under the pressure had better look at their own house first. i'm not saying that the jays have it locked up, but it sure is nice to be on top looking down at those yanks! <the preceding message was furnished on behalf of someone who did not find the yankees all that objectionable until this series. see what a bit of booing (and pop bottle throwing) can do to a person!> -- --- Carlo Sgro ...![ihnp4||decvax||allegra||clyde||utzoo]!watmath!watrose!cjsgro Formerly: ...!watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo and Also: ...!ihnp4!chinet!dagwood "ihnp4 Express: Overnight to the USA or you don't pay!"
tommyo@ihuxw.UUCP (Tom O`Connor) (09/17/85)
I understand that after the initial incident, an annoucement was read, regarding the assistance that the govt. of Canada supplied the U.S. during the hostage crisis in Iran, sheltering Americans an bringing home safely, before the Anthem was played the next game. The N.Y. fans showed their lack of class, booing again. Well, I`m pleased as punch that the Jays took 3 of 4! I guess Georgie went on a verbal rampage after the massacre, saying among other things that he`d rather have Mr. October than Winfield, Mr. May. In a feeble attempt to save his club, he`s picked up Joe Niekro from Houston. I do believe that that`s the 1st time the Niekro`s have been on the same team in their major league carrers. Too bad it`s not gonna do them any good. I expect the Jays to hang on - too bad they don`t get enough press. Hopefully, Phil will win his 300th when the Yankees are on the road (George make enough publicity all by himself). I`d also expect to see the ol` Lite beer commercial sometime after the regular season. "Billy. You`re fired!" "Not again" By the by, the Mets fans are also poor sports, so I`m rooting for the Cards, my lifetime arch rivals, since the Cubbies are waiting for next year again. Tom O`Connor BTl - Naperville P.S. Reuschel for Comeback Player of the Year!
malcolm@utcsri.UUCP (Malcolm MacPhail) (09/18/85)
> CLASS - HIGH QUALITY, ELEGANCE > ... > YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE OUR TEAM BUT HOW ABOUT A LITTLE RESPECT FOR OUR > SOVEREIGNTY! > ONE OF 22,000,000 OTHER PROUD CANADIANS > I was under the impression that the New York fans were like this to most other teams (at least any that can cause trouble). Isn't that why they call the stadium "The Bronx Zoo"? Besides, how many of the Blue Jay players are Canadian, or feel something special for Canada? Booing our national anthem is indeed a lousy thing to do, but I doubt that it bothered the Jays it just bothered most Canadians who heard about it. My wife's reply, on hearing about the booing and that singer messing up, was "What do you expect from a bunch of people that would live in a place like New York". Of course some may commute, or may have been visiting... -- Malcolm MacPhail, Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto UUCP: {linus,ihnp4,allegra,floyd,utzoo,cornell,decwrl,uw-beaver}!utcsri!malcolm CSNET: malcolm@Toronto ARPA: malcolm%Toronto@CSNet-Relay --
mupmalis@watarts.UUCP (M. A. Upmalis) (09/18/85)
In article <755@fisher.UUCP> david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) writes: >Actually, the all-time low for fan "class and civility" certainly >belongs to Canadian fans (specifically, Expo fans). A few years ago, >before he was called the "Terminator", Jeff Reardon was having a >MISERABLE season. Expo fans booed Reardon unmercifully every time he >appeared in a game; the chorus would begin the moment his name was >announced. This, of course, is acceptable; however, one day the Expo >wives were playing a charity softball game prior to the main feature. >When the lineups were announced, the fans began to boo Reardon's wife. >So loud and persistent were they, Mrs. Reardon left the field in tears >before the fans would let up. > >I'm sure AL fans have similar anecdotes regarding the behavior of >Toronto fans. No nationality can claim innocence. At least here >(North America), the abuse is verbal... > > David Rubin I consider the Yankee fans unusual for the average Baseball fan, however in Toronto the fans are very civil to the opposing team, quite often good plays or home runs by the visiting team will be recognized by the fans. In Toronto we hungered for big league ball for so many years that at first the main reason to go to the ball game was to see the visiting team and not the Jay (that has changed recently). Montreal is a passionate town for sport no matter what, in the fifties when Clarence Campbell suspended Rocket Richard for fighting during the Stanley Cup, there were riots in the streets. I can't excuse what happened to Reardon's wife but I haven't heard the story before and am not a Montreal native so I'll let it pass. While the Bronx Zoo got a lot of bad press, some of the 1000+ Blue Jay fans who travlled to the game (who's that for supporting your team) found a good number of Yanks fans who complimented them on the Jays, wished them a good time in New York and even cheered for the Jays (better the Jays than the Yanks). While the situation is over blown, I think that some of the reaction in the net may border on "what do these Canucks now about baseball and why show them any respect". Answer--Canada has been in on the history of baseball since Abner Doubleday, we may have come in the Majors late but from the first man to wear a number on the Uniform (Canadian), the man who took over from Lou Gehrig, the country where Daryl Strawberry hit his first professional home run (triple AAA) as well as Babe Ruth Canada has a lot to add to the game. -- Mike Upmalis (mupmalis@watarts)<University of Waterloo> ihnp4!watmath!watarts!mupmalis This sentence has threee erors.
abgamble@water.UUCP (abgamble) (09/18/85)
> > I consider the Yankee fans unusual for the average Baseball fan, however > in Toronto the fans are very civil to the opposing team, quite often > good plays or home runs by the visiting team will be recognized by the fans. > The Yankees have 3 more games in Toronto this season. Maybe we should wait a while before bestowing sainthood on the Jay fans. I have a hunch that a few will boo the American anthem when N.Y. comes to town. > -- > Mike Upmalis (mupmalis@watarts)<University of Waterloo> > > ihnp4!watmath!watarts!mupmalis -- Bruce Gamble - abgamble@water.UUCP
gates@bdmrrr.UUCP (Al Gates) (09/18/85)
> > THE new york fans BOOING THE CANADIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM WHILE THROWING BOTTLES
etc...
What was really bad was in either the second or third game of the series at
Yankee stadium, the lady who was supposed to sing the Canadian National
Anthem 1) forgot the words --she asked for a cheat sheet over the PA instead
of singing the anthem "I need the words" she said. Then 2) Could not remember
how the tune went. It was embarrasing to both her and New York City and was
the most atrocious rendition of the Canadian national anthem I ever heard.
Only in New York....
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\ \ \^^\dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) (09/19/85)
[] > What was really bad was in either the second or third game of the series at > Yankee stadium, the lady who was supposed to sing the Canadian National > Anthem 1) forgot the words --she asked for a cheat sheet over the PA instead > of singing the anthem "I need the words" she said. Then 2) Could not remember > how the tune went. Oh well, I don't think anybody in Canada knows the words either. Although most of them do know the tune, at least. Isaac Dimitrovsky allegra!cmcl2!csd2!dimitrov (l in cmcl2 is letter l not number 1) 251 Mercer Street, New York NY 10012 (212) 674-8652 ... Hernandez steps in to face ... Orl ... HERchiiiser ... and it's a liiine driive, deeeeep to the gap in left center ... - Bob Murphy, Voice of the Mets
tommyo@ihuxw.UUCP (Tom O`Connor) (09/20/85)
I gather there was some comment about my article about the Yanks/Jays booing incident. Somehow, I didn`t see that response, just clips in other items. All I have to say is there`s a great difference between booing a team and booing a neighbor country`s national anthem. By the way, the Cub fans showed true class when Pete tied Cobb`s record. They called him out of the dugout after he hit a homer (that`s right, called a VISITING team player out) and gave him a great standing ovation when he tied the record. Now that`s class!! Tom O`Connor
mojo@kepler.UUCP (Morris Jones) (09/22/85)
In article <3900015@csd2.UUCP> dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) writes: >Oh well, I don't think anybody in Canada knows the words either. >Although most of them do know the tune, at least. My SO loves attending Toronto games with me at the Oakland Coliseum because she gets to sing the Canadian anthem. She was born in Calgary and left at the age of 8, but never misses a word of the anthem. I'll bet she's more the rule than the exception. -- Mojo ... Morris Jones, MicroPro Product Development {dual,hplabs,glacier,lll-crg}!well!micropro!kepler!mojo
roy@hpmtla.UUCP (roy) (09/26/85)
> >Actually, the all-time low for fan "class and civility" certainly >belongs to Canadian fans (specifically, Expo fans). A few years ago, >before he was called the "Terminator", Jeff Reardon was having a >MISERABLE season. Expo fans booed Reardon unmercifully every time he >appeared in a game; the chorus would begin the moment his name was >announced. This, of course, is acceptable; however, one day the Expo >wives were playing a charity softball game prior to the main feature. >When the lineups were announced, the fans began to boo Reardon's wife. >So loud and persistent were they, Mrs. Reardon left the field in tears >before the fans would let up. > >I'm sure AL fans have similar anecdotes regarding the behavior of >Toronto fans. No nationality can claim innocence. At least here >(North America), the abuse is verbal... > > David Rubin Let's not make this a Canada vs. U.S. issue Mr. Rubin. I am an American that agrees with you that the two aforementioned events are apalling, but I hold the people involved in the Expos and and Yankees responsible. An organization markets a team in a manner which appeals to the fan they want to bring into the ballpark. For example, in Chicago, the White Sox were always presented as a rough and tumble team, attracting a strong blue collar following, while the Cubs went after the kids, little old ladies, and business groups with their clean-cut approach. Now take the Yankees, a team marketed in recent years with hot-tempers, delicate egos, and endless controversy(George,Billy,Reggie,etc...). The fact is, they cater to the rowdy, pushy fan. Not to say that this is wrong, it is quite successful in accomplishing exactly what the organization wants - profit and notoriety. I don't know enough about the Montreal organization to comment on their appeal. The state department had no business apologizing to Canada for the incident in New York. It was not a U.S. issue(in my opinion). It was a private issue in which the Yankee organization, i.e. Mr. Stienbrenner himself, was responsible for apologizing to the people of Canada. Since Georgie did not take ant reconciliatory action, I can only assume that he approved of the incident. Roy
jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) (10/01/85)
> > The state department had no business apologizing to Canada for > the incident in New York. It was not a U.S. issue(in my opinion). > It was a private issue in which the Yankee organization, i.e. Mr. > Stienbrenner himself, was responsible for apologizing to the people > of Canada. Since Georgie did not take ant reconciliatory action, > I can only assume that he approved of the incident. > > Roy In an anthropology course I took in college, I learned how children are taught responsibility in Japan. Imagine that a child breaks a window, but doesn't approach the owner of the property and offer to repair it. The way this is usually handled in the U.S. is for one of the parents to take the child by the hand, lead him or her to the wronged party, and make the child apologize and offer to fix the window. In Japan, the mother would approach the wronged party and apologize for being an unfit and unworthy parent who has raised an irresponsible child. Of course, the child knows about this humiliation of the mother. Maybe it's not the state department's business to apologize for the Yankees and their fans, but I hope it shames them into better behavior. -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) "Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..." {amdahl, sun}!rtech!jeff {ucbvax, decvax}!mtxinu!rtech!jeff