schneider@vlnvax.DEC (09/18/85)
> I understand that after the initial incident, an annoucement > was read, regarding the assistance that the govt. of Canada > supplied the U.S. during the hostage crisis in Iran, sheltering > Americans an bringing home safely, before the Anthem was played > the next game. The N.Y. fans showed their lack of class, booing > again. The Boston Globe described the same incident as a classy act of management reminding the fans of what Canada has done. Yes, the Yankee fans booed, but they were booing the opposition in a pennant race, which I find entirely understandable. I guess the excitement of your first race got to your head and colored your judgement. Season yourself some and keep from showing your own lack of class next time, before labeling others. > Well, I`m pleased as punch that the Jays took 3 of 4! This should have been the first line of a baseball fan's article. You'll learn in time. > I guess Georgie went on a verbal rampage after the massacre, > saying among other things that he`d rather have Mr. October > than Winfield, Mr. May. In a feeble attempt to save his club, > he`s picked up Joe Niekro from Houston. George often gets carried away, but he has shown unusual patience for him this year since Yogi's departure. On the other hand, nothing succeeds like success. Has their been a more successful franchise since Toronto entered the league? > By the by, the Mets fans are also poor sports, so I`m rooting > for the Cards, my lifetime arch rivals, since the Cubbies are > waiting for next year again. > Tom O`Connor > BTl - Naperville I'd say Mr. O'Connor has a problem with the city of New York. Perhaps you should try a visit and you wouldn't be so intimidated. Then you could begin to appreciate two of the finer teams in baseball. Daniel Schneider {decvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-vlnvax!schneider
meehan@ihlpg.UUCP (Meehan) (09/19/85)
> I'd say Mr. O'Connor has a problem with the city of New York. Perhaps > you should try a visit and you wouldn't be so intimidated. Then > you could begin to appreciate two of the finer teams in baseball. > > Daniel Schneider > {decvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-vlnvax!schneider You could not pay me enough to live in a city like New York! I plan to watch the World Series here in the Midwest when St. Louis plays Kansas City. Sorry New York, no subway series this year. There's always next year! Patrick Meehan AT&T Bell Labs Naperville IL.
dpb@philabs.UUCP (Paul Benjamin) (09/23/85)
> You could not pay me enough to live in a city like New York! > > Patrick Meehan > AT&T Bell Labs > Naperville IL. We don't want or need you in New York, so don't expect any offers real soon. Paul Benjamin Philips Labs Briarcliff, NY
pnv@homxa.UUCP (P.VERMA) (09/24/85)
>The Boston Globe described the same incident as a classy act of >management reminding the fans of what Canada has done. Yes, the Yankee >fans booed, but they were booing the opposition in a pennant race, which >I find entirely understandable. Only a Yankee fan can find it understandable. Sportsman spirit is not booing your opponent; it is applauding your team. A real sportsman would try to win himself; not pray that his opponent loses. >I'd say Mr. O'Connor has a problem with the city of New York. Perhaps >you should try a visit and you wouldn't be so intimidated. Don't bother. I have lived close enough to New York City for over ayear now. I am sorry to say that I don't find any thing so desirable about the Yankees or the Yankee fans. > Daniel Schneider > {decvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-vlnvax!schneider
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (09/26/85)
>> You could not pay me enough to live in a city like New York! > We don't want or need you in New York, so don't expect any offers > real soon. We're starting to get a lot of such submissions to the net, and they are entirely inappropriate to the newsgroup. You can talk about the Yankees and Blue Jays. You can even talk about Yankee and Blue Jay fans. However, if I wish to hear a discussion of the relative merits of the various cities for reasons that are not connected with the game, its play, its participants, or its followers, I'll tune in to net.geography.chauvinism. So CUT IT OUT! David Rubin
schneider@2littl.DEC (10/01/85)
I truly am tired of not discussing baseball in this forum, but I took offense when people started coming down so hard on Yankee fans in particular and NY fans in general. I maintain that they were generally venting anti-NY feelings. I doubt anyone would claim that the fans who did boo the Canadian anthem actually harbored anti-Canadian feelings, but rather were voicing their displeasure at the Blue Jays being in front of the Yankees. I was off the net for a few days and since now that I'm back I see a sizable quantity of mail directed at my comments, I feel compelled to respond. Hereafter if anyone would like to continue the discussion I will reluctantly pursue it off the net. (Note my new address.) The following represents all responses of everybody whose mail I read today. My original remarks are preceded by ">>". >>The Boston Globe described the same incident as a classy act of >>management reminding the fans of what Canada has done. Yes, the Yankee >>fans booed, but they were booing the opposition in a pennant race, which >>I find entirely understandable. >Only a Yankee fan can find it understandable. Sportsman spirit is not booing >your opponent; it is applauding your team. A real sportsman would try to win >himself; not pray that his opponent loses. >>The fan's WERE booing the Jays as is entirely within their rights. At the >>time, the Canadian anthem served to represent the Jays. This seems quite >>clear. >Sorry, Dan , I was taught not to boo EVER as it is unsportsmanlike, and >to boo a nation's anthem is just worse than normal. The above two comments put forth the proposition that it is not sportsman- like to boo (under any condition?) and there is no place for it in a baseball park lest all the hometeams' fans (or city's inhabitants) be branded "unsportsmanlike". To their credit the respective authors do not willfully misinterpret the fans actions as disliking the country of Canada. Yet I think their viewpoint is tenuous as booing is quite prevelant in ALL ballparks. It has long been acknowledged that once the fan pays his money to attend the event he is well within his right to voice pleasure or displeasure. I have never booed during a national anthem, but I have booed during a game and I'm reasonably sure others have also. The definition of sportsmanship above is quite a narrow one. ------- >>I am not a resident of New York but I am a Yankee fan and I take a great deal >>of exception to the notion that the New York fans have a lack of class. >>Such a bigotted interpretation of an obviously misunderstood act seems >>QUITE unreasonable to me. >Maybe it does, but I don't think by condoning the incident you've helped >the perception of a N.Y. fan. In fact you probably have strengthened the >feeling you're trying to argue against. I never condoned the booing but expressed my resentment at those whose biased interpretations were fuel in their anti-NY fire. I'll take my own chances with public opinion. ------ >>Perhaps, but I think more then a few netters hopped on the anti-New York >>bandwagon instead. Perhaps they are just jealous of the most cultured >>fans in America. >Funny, you talk of "bigotted interpretations" and then turn right around and >make a bigotted remark. If you are certain that *some* N.Y. fans can do >no wrong, then I would say you're the most prejudiced of all. >I sure wish I were "cultured". -:) This is where I struck the chord which produced the most responses. New Yorkers are rightfully proud that they inhabit the cultural center of the United States if not the world; my reference to this has obviously occured too close to the controversy. Except for the above comment which is way off base I left myself exposed for the following. >Sour milk is also "cultured"... >I will never forget the final game of the world series (I think it was >1977) when the Yankees won the game in New York. What I will never >forget is the sight of Reggie Jackson running off the field in obvious >fear of his life. I guess the New York culture was just too much for >him. >psss One mans culture is another mans cess pool. As a final comment I feel somewhat vindicated that I never read a comment that went like this: "I'm from Canada and am insulted that NY fans would boo my country." or some such. The direct participants in the episode knew what was going on (a pennant race). Daniel Schneider {decvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-2littl!schneider ^^^^^^^^^^ Note new address ----------------|||||||||| PS. I will make every effort that any other articles I submit will not wander so far off the subject of baseball.