[net.sport.baseball] Simulation games

dnichols@ti-csl (02/12/86)

Does anyone have any interest in baseball simulation board games such
as APBA, Strat-O-Matic,etc.? What are your favorites? How do they 
compare?

How about the Rotisserie League type of games, where you draft
teams and evaluate their performance based on the current season.
Does anyone have any experience with any of these? I have received
ads for any number of them which sound good, but they all seem to
cost a fair amount.

Would anyone be interested in forming a Rotisserie League on the
net?

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cjsgro@watdragon.UUCP (Carlo Sgro) (02/15/86)

In article <16400003@ti-csl> dnichols@ti-csl writes:
>How about the Rotisserie League type of games, ... but they all seem to
>cost a fair amount.
That's only because there aren't enough people to do it voluntarily ...

>
>Would anyone be interested in forming a Rotisserie League on the
>net?

I made up a form of rotisserie league for football this season (in 
net.games.pbm) and it was very successful.  I graduate this year but
I fully intend to make up my own baseball game if I find work at 
a site that is:
  a) on the net, and
  b) amenable to this sort of activity.

Meanwhile, let's not wait for me!  Let's have someone go ahead and do it!
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dsnow@watarts.UUCP (Doug Snow) (02/16/86)

munch, munch, munch

Okay, I'm ready to take part in organizing a baseball simulation on
the net, provided, I get firm commitments from about a half a
dozen others willing to contribute... with at least a couple of
local people ( waterloo area ). I have a friend who participated
in this very idea via surface mail last season and he completely
enjoyed it. I can get all of the necessary parameters from him ( and,
I'm certain , his participation ). 
  
We'll have to get started fast... I can already smell opening day!!!
I can only do a fair share as I have an incredible amount of normal
work to do already. Any takers??
  
               Reply: dsnow@watarts.UUCP

goguen@cheers.DEC (Don Goguen 381-2565) (02/17/86)

> Does anyone have any interest in baseball simulation board games such
> as APBA, Strat-O-Matic,etc.? What are your favorites? How do they 
> compare?
 
> How about the Rotisserie League type of games, where you draft
> teams and evaluate their performance based on the current season.
> Does anyone have any experience with any of these? I have received
> ads for any number of them which sound good, but they all seem to
> cost a fair amount.
 
> Would anyone be interested in forming a Rotisserie League on the
> net?
 
    I've never played APBA, though I've heard it's good.  

    I've played in many Strat-O-Matic leagues and enjoyed the games immensely. 
It costs about $20/year for the new cards, after investing in the game.  It
simulates action quite well, and the company tries to add some extra variables
here and there.  In fact, I've fully automated it here on the VAX, including
the player cards (lots of data entry!), charts, dice, and stats (accumulation
and reports).  The Strat company themselves just announced a computerized
version, though it doesn't sound as "complete" as mine. Participation in a
strat league is lots of fun... the drafting is often the highlight of the
season, unless you're in the race for the pennant...  We used to play 56-game
seasons... 

    I'm currently in a Rotisserie League, run on the net within DEC.  About
the only cost incurred here is the book describing the league setup (it's worth
the price even if you don't plan on playing in a league...).  No further money
is needed, even though some could be involved if the participants wished.  It 
provides even more enjoyment than a Strat league did, because of following the
current season closely.  Strat cards are, of course, based on last year's stats,
and you play with those cards throughout the next baseball season.  Rotisserie
results are based on every regular season game - you wind up looking through
the box scores for your players' stats, often ignoring the actual major league
pennant races.  If one of your players hits a grand slam to beat your favorite
ML team, you're happy about it...

    The toughest thing about the league over the net is the draft.  We add our
pick to a master list, and forward it to the next drafter.  It's quite time
consuming, but a lot of fun...

-- Don Goguen
   DEC /  Nashua, NH

ryan@fremen.DEC (DTN 264-8280 MK01-2/E25) (02/18/86)

>Posted by: decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-cheers!goguen
>Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
> 
>    I'm currently in a Rotisserie League, run on the net within DEC.  About
>the only cost incurred here is the book describing the league setup (it's worth
>the price even if you don't plan on playing in a league...).  No further money
>is needed, even though some could be involved if the participants wished.  It 
>provides even more enjoyment than a Strat league did, because of following the
>current season closely.  Strat cards are, of course, based on last year's stats,

	I'm in the same league as Don - it can work over a network, but
	the game described in the book must be simplified. In
	particular, we had to skip the business of bidding for players
	and giving them contracts entirely. It took the better part of a
	week to draft as it was...
> 
>    The toughest thing about the league over the net is the draft.  We add our
>pick to a master list, and forward it to the next drafter.  It's quite time
>consuming, but a lot of fun...
> 
	Note that this took close to a week on DecNet, where electronic
	mail gets to its recipient immediately. Using UUCP, you'll be in
	big trouble unless all the participants are within a hop or two
	of each other on machines that forward mail every hour or less.
	The season will be half over by the time you finish drafting.
	If you can make it work, though, it's great!

>-- Don Goguen
>   DEC /  Nashua, NH

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ins_alhg@jhunix.UUCP (Louis H Griffel) (02/18/86)

In article <383@watdragon.UUCP> cjsgro@watdragon.UUCP (Carlo Sgro) writes:
>In article <16400003@ti-csl> dnichols@ti-csl writes:
>>How about the Rotisserie League type of games, ... but they all seem to
>>cost a fair amount.
>That's only because there aren't enough people to do it voluntarily ...
>
>>
>>Would anyone be interested in forming a Rotisserie League on the
>>net?
>
>I made up a form of rotisserie league for football this season (in 
>net.games.pbm) and it was very successful.  I graduate this year but
>I fully intend to make up my own baseball game if I find work at 
>a site that is:
>  a) on the net, and
>  b) amenable to this sort of activity.
>
>Meanwhile, let's not wait for me!  Let's have someone go ahead and do it!
>-- 
>
>Carlo Sgro
>...![ihnp4||decvax||allegra||clyde||utzoo]!watmath!watdragon!cjsgro
>
>"ihnp4 Express:  Overnight to the USA or you don't pay!"


I have been involved in rotisserie baseball for the past few years...
If you want some info write me at ins_alhg@jhunix with your phone #
and I'll give you details..there is too much to write.

jsl@princeton.UUCP (Jong Lee) (02/21/86)

> > Does anyone have any interest in baseball simulation board games such
> > as APBA, Strat-O-Matic,etc.? What are your favorites? How do they 
> > compare?
>  
> -- Don Goguen
>    DEC /  Nashua, NH
 
Strat League over the net sounds great.... 
BUT HEY!  Where were you last fall!!!!  I recall someone started up
net.conversation about this back then and it seemed like I was the only
one that replied to him.  Anyway, this is rather beside the point.
You actually punched in 520 players' stats?  Was it the advanced game
statistics -- whew! even more typing.  Do you mind sending me the 
source for your vax-stratomatic?  I am definitely interested in a 
net.stratleague.

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pvg@mhuxd.UUCP (GERAFFO) (02/21/86)

> > > Does anyone have any interest in baseball simulation board games such
> > > as APBA, Strat-O-Matic,etc.? What are your favorites? How do they 
> > > compare?
> >  
> > -- Don Goguen
> >    DEC /  Nashua, NH
>  
> Strat League over the net sounds great.... 
> BUT HEY!  Where were you last fall!!!!  I recall someone started up
> net.conversation about this back then and it seemed like I was the only
> one that replied to him.  Anyway, this is rather beside the point.
> You actually punched in 520 players' stats?  Was it the advanced game
> statistics -- whew! even more typing.  Do you mind sending me the 
> source for your vax-stratomatic?  I am definitely interested in a 
> net.stratleague.
> 
> jsl@STI.now@princeton.before 

I too would be interested in a net.strat or net.apba league.


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djvh@drutx.UUCP (VanHandelDJ) (02/22/86)

I would also be interested in a simulation league.  I have
played APBA exclusively, and have written a BASIC PC version of it,
which is not yet finished but has more factors involved than the APBA
Master Game.

Dave VanHandel
drutx!djvh

pete@umcp-cs.UUCP (Pete Cottrell) (02/23/86)

> 
>Strat League over the net sounds great.... 
>
>You actually punched in 520 players' stats?  Was it the advanced game
>statistics -- whew! even more typing.  Do you mind sending me the 
>source for your vax-stratomatic?  
>

I am also interested, having made some efforts along the same lines
(using the Maryland Windows Package); school and job have slowed progress
on it to a snail's pace. An overview of your system, such as how it plays,
design considerations, etc. might prove more valuable than the source, at
least for me.	
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