[net.sport] Australian Open, future of US tennis, backhand grips.

cher@ihlpm.UUCP (Mike Cherepov) (12/10/85)

> Oh yeah, before I forget, how about McEnroe at the Australian against
> Zivojinonic?  Pretty pathetic if you ask me.  He basically tanked
> the fifth set (losing it 6-0) and started yelling at 'Bo-bo'
> "I'll make you pay for this, I promise!"  How childish can you get?
> What was Zivojinovic supposed to do?  try to LOSE the match just because
> he was playing the great John McEnroe?

While I missed the show, the results were very pleasing.
McEnroe, the jerk, was whipped, Lendl, the horse, also had his behind
kicked. It looks like the Swedes are everywhere and will be for another
10 years at least.
However the situation with US tennis is pretty sad. 
Unless somebody comes out of nowhere and wins some lofty titles
the American tennis is in trouble: less public interest => less
tv coverage => less attention =>no net.tennis =>....
It does not look like any of the current young US players will develop
into a likeness on Wilander or Becker.
Connors	is old, McEnroe is oversexed and is all but an eyesore.
We might hear more from him, though.

> Well, I hope this generates some more conversation.  It seems to me
> that this group goes in spurts.  We get noisy for a while, then
> quite down while the soccer/football and auto racing people take
> over net.sport.

Several times I had an impulse to write, but was distracted by visions
of snowy slopes. What do you expect in winter, anyway.
Currenly the tennis thought that preoccupies me is "which backhand
grip is the best?". I've noticed that hammer grip on the (one-handed)
backhand provides me with a lot more precision& power then eastern
backhand.
More later, as I've got to run..
			Mike Cherepov
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Mike Cherepov

jsl@princeton.UUCP (Jong Lee) (12/11/85)

> Currenly the tennis thought that preoccupies me is "which backhand
> grip is the best?". I've noticed that hammer grip on the (one-handed)
> backhand provides me with a lot more precision& power then eastern
> backhand.

What's a "hammer grip"?  Do you mean the continental?  I don't
think one can generalize whigh grip is "best"; one can only state
one's preferences, as you did.  Personally, I use the eastern grip
on the backhand to try to get more topspin with pace.  But when 
I'm having a bad day, I rotate to more of a continental and just 
try to hit the ball back with reasonable depth.  

jsl@princeton

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cher@ihlpm.UUCP (Mike Cherepov) (12/11/85)

> 
> What's a "hammer grip"?  Do you mean the continental?  I don't
> think one can generalize whigh grip is "best"; one can only state
> one's preferences, as you did.  Personally, I use the eastern grip
> on the backhand to try to get more topspin with pace.  But when 
> I'm having a bad day, I rotate to more of a continental and just 
> try to hit the ball back with reasonable depth.  

My understanding is that hammer is different from continental in
how fingers are spread on the grip: with continental they are
spread a bit more loosely.
I tend to use wrist quite a bit, so "hammer" provides a lot more
control on wrist adjustments (somehow having fingers together
gives me a better feel for where the racket head is moving).

I am not sure about use on easten backhand for more spin.
It looks like Gomez and Sundstrom hit their backhands with
extreme continental grip (I mean rotated even further away from
eastern) and they are topspinners.
Any thoughts?

-- 
Mike Cherepov

cccallan@ucdavis.UUCP (Allan McKillop) (12/12/85)

> 
> While I missed the show, the results were very pleasing.
> McEnroe, the jerk, was whipped, Lendl, the horse, also had his behind
> kicked. It looks like the Swedes are everywhere and will be for another
> 10 years at least.
> However the situation with US tennis is pretty sad. 
> Unless somebody comes out of nowhere and wins some lofty titles
> the American tennis is in trouble: less public interest => less
> tv coverage => less attention =>no net.tennis =>....
> It does not look like any of the current young US players will develop
> into a likeness on Wilander or Becker.
> Connors	is old, McEnroe is oversexed and is all but an eyesore.
> We might hear more from him, though.
> 
The Lendl-Edberg semifinal was almost as disgusting as the McEnroe-Zivojinovic
quarterfinal.  Lendl tanked the third set when he was upset with the umpire,
and then he had the gall suddenly to claim a "mysterious" injury and request 
3 injury timeouts in a row!  The man tanked the match and I am glad he lost!

The best analogy about the Sweeds I have heard so far is comparing them
to the Aussies of the late 50's-60's.  A group of players, working as
a team (though very individual).  Good sports, very polite and very
good tennis players.

The best prospect on the American screen is Mayotte.  And even he is
never going to be #1 in the world with the game he has.  I guess the
next American superstar is going to be like McEnroe, and burst out
of (relative) obscurity in the Juniors and take the world by storm.

> Currently the tennis thought that preoccupies me is "which backhand
> grip is the best?". I've noticed that hammer grip on the (one-handed)
> backhand provides me with a lot more precision& power then eastern
> backhand.

The hammer grip (which is bunching all the fingers together, like you
would hold a hammer) is fine is you have the strength of wrist to
get away with it.   With all the fingers bunched together, you have
less leverage on the racket.  I personally use a "normal" continental
grip, but then again I am lazy about switching grips.

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jsl@princeton.UUCP (Jong Lee) (12/12/85)

> My understanding is that hammer is different from continental in
> how fingers are spread on the grip: with continental they are
> spread a bit more loosely.
> I tend to use wrist quite a bit, so "hammer" provides a lot more
> control on wrist adjustments (somehow having fingers together
> gives me a better feel for where the racket head is moving).
> 
> I am not sure about use on easten backhand for more spin.
> It looks like Gomez and Sundstrom hit their backhands with
> extreme continental grip (I mean rotated even further away from
> eastern) and they are topspinners.
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Mike Cherepov

I keep my fingers together more than the traditional ... but I think
you have to if you are using an eastern grip, or further over.  I find
it difficult to go cross-court (I guess I don't prepare early enough)
if I use anything beyond the eastern...But, wow, those down the lines
are something, but they get fairly predictable and downright murder
when the other guy is at net.  Actually, though, my problem off and on
is with my forhand.  I learned to play with the "Borg" open stance
forehand when I was young, but switched to a more conventional one
a few years back.  The problem is that I find myself waiting too long
sometimes, which makes my shots go deep, without much topspin.  But
I guess what is necessary is just more of "you didn't get your 
racquet (sp?) back early enough" syndrome.

jsl@princeton

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