[net.sport] Brazil '85.

nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (01/22/86)

Date	Opponent		Location *	Result	Competition **

25/4	Colombia		Belo Horizonte	2-1	fr.
28/4	Peru			Brasilia	0-1	fr.
2/5	Uruguay			Recife		2-0	fr.
5/5	Argentina		Salvador	2-1	fr.
15/5	Colombia		Bogota		0-1	fr.
21/5	Chile			Santiago	1-2	fr.
2/6	Bolivia			Santa Cruz	2-0	WCQ
8/6	Chile			Porto Alegre	3-1	fr.
16/6	Paraguay		Asuncion	2-0	WCQ
23/6	Paraguay		Rio de Janeiro	1-1	WCQ
30/6	Bolivia			Sao Paulo	1-1	WCQ

* Home grounds are Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Recife, Salvador, Porto 
Alegre, Rio de Janeiro, and Sao Paulo
** fr=friendly, WCQ=World Cup Qualifier

1985 Record: 6 wins, 3 losses, 2 draws

Difficult to assess this Brazilian team, after the debacle (in Brazilian
terms!) in Spain, and the failure to hold the South American Nations
Cup, won by Uruguay, Brazil has been experimenting with different
combinations in many friendlies.  Their old goal punch seems to be gone,
and their defense is subject to lax moments.  By the same token, they
were never out of any match.

Caps: Paulo Victor, Edson Boaro, Oscar, Jose Mozer, Branco, Dema, 
Alemao, Casagrande, Jorginho, Reinaldo, Eder, Luis Carlos, Bebeto,
Careca, Mario Sergio, Jandir, Geovani Silva, Carlos Gallo, Wladimir
Santos, Leandro, Edinho, Junior, Socrates, Cerezo, Zico, Renato, Tato
-- 
James C. Armstrong, Jnr.	{ihnp4,cbosgd,akgua}!abnji!nyssa

"It's a sort of mini-clone!"  Who said them, what story?

ewan@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) (01/24/86)

In article <1091@abnji.UUCP>, nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) writes:
> Date	Opponent		Location *	Result	Competition **
> combinations in many friendlies.  Their old goal punch seems to be gone,
> and their defense is subject to lax moments.  By the same token, they
> were never out of any match.
> 

Their defense has always been their weakness. They spend too much time
playing good/great to watch/attacking/adventurous soccer at the other
end. Better than the stodgy stuff we see from W. Germany! Oh how I would
love to see Brasil vs France....

I'm  a little surprized to see the 0 scores they had - they are normally
high scorers.
-- 
            Ewan

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miller@loral.UUCP (David P. Miller) (01/28/86)

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In article <1091@abnji.UUCP>,nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) writes:

> ...Brazil has been experimenting with different combinations in many
> friendlies. Their old goal punch seems to be gone, and their defense is
> subject to lax moments. By the same token, they were never out of any 
> match.

In article <293@uw-june>,ewan@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) writes:

> Their defense has always been their weakness. They spend too much time
> playing good/great to watch/attacking/adventurous soccer at the other end.
> Better than the stodgy stuff we see from W. Germany ! ..... I,m a little
> surprized to see the 0 scores they had - they are normally high scorers.

Actually, I,ve never seen a Brazilian team that had any defense to speak of,
with the exception of the 1970 World Cup team of course. Brazil is notorious
for not having good goalies (Waldir Pereira proves me right !!) instead they
concentrate in a very strong and articulate mid-field and right wing attackers.
The fact that they been experimenting with different combinations comes as no
surprise since almost every team that qualified for Mexico 86 went through
such a phase. What accentuated Brazil's case was their inability to pick a
coach during the "friendlies" phase. First was Jair Pereira, then Tele^ Santana,
then there was talk of Zagalo again, finally they settled with Tele^.
Another contributing factor to their lost of zing has been the injuries suffered
by some key players (Socrates, Zico, and Falcao~), and the failure to get a
team concentrated and trained together as a team.
All the above circustances have been apparently solved by now, ,and what we 
should look for now is how the team will perform in its upcomming tour through
Europe, this March. How well they do, or do not, perform should indicate how
much work is still left to be done.

					      BIG DAVE.


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lor@ucla-cs.UUCP (01/31/86)

In article <1011@loral.UUCP> miller@loral.UUCP (David P. Miller) writes:
>Actually, I,ve never seen a Brazilian team that had any defense to speak of,
>with the exception of the 1970 World Cup team of course. Brazil is notorious
>for not having good goalies (Waldir Pereira proves me right !!) instead they
>concentrate in a very strong and articulate mid-field and right wing attackers.

	I think you made a mistake here. Their 1970 goalkeeper was
Felix (spelling?), one of the worst in that world cup.
On the other hand, from 1974-78, they had a great one, Leao, who
may challenge Gilmar as the best ever in Brazil. As a matter
of fact, the 74 & 78 teams (with Luis Peirera, Fransico Marinho and
Leao) were critized for playing boring football: great defense, 
mediocre offense. 

	I wonder howcome Brazil's offense and defense has to
struggle one time or another. Since the 60's, they are never able to
develop a team like the 1974 Holland or the 1972 West Germany: great
defense AND great offense.


-- 
					Eddy Lor
					...!(ihnp4,ucbvax)!ucla-cs!lor
					lor@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU
					Computer Science Department, UCLA