edtking@uw-june (Ewan David Tempero) (11/21/84)
Thanks to those who replied to my request. Here are parts of the tables of the various divions for those interested taken from the Vancouver BC SUN (which being an "imported" paper is <insert favourite expletive> expensive) as of Monday November 20. English League First Division P W D L F A P Everton 15 10 2 3 32 18 32 ManUnited 15 8 5 2 29 18 29 Arsenal 15 9 2 4 30 21 29 Tottenham 15 9 1 5 32 15 28 WestHam 15 7 4 4 21 20 25 Chelsea 15 6 4 5 25 16 22 Liverpool 14 4 6 4 16 15 18 (Oh how the mighty have fallen...) Second Division P W D L F A P Oxford 14 9 4 1 30 12 31 Portsmouth 15 9 4 2 24 13 31 Blackburn 15 9 3 3 30 14 30 Scottish League P W D L F A P Aberdeen 14 12 1 1 35 8 25 Celtic 14 9 4 1 29 10 22 Rangers 14 6 6 2 14 6 18 Results of Games: English First Division Arsenal 1 Queen's PR 0 ManUnited 2 Luton 0 Ipswich 0 Tottenham 3 West Ham 1 Sunderland 0 I see the first round of the English FA Cup was played this weekend too. If there is enough interest I will continue to post these every 2 weeks or so or mail to people individualy. There shouldn't be too many problems as there is not very much on this group. If there ARE complaints I suggest a new subgroup...new.sport.REAL.football (-: ManU rules (almost) Ewan
edtking@uw-june (Ewan David Tempero) (11/29/84)
For those curious as to what the different numbers mean ( and for those
not familier with the layout I use )
The first "P" means #games played
W means #games won
D games drawn ( or tied for you americans :-)
L games lost
F means #goals for
A goals against
The second "P" is the number of points.
The point system is 3 for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss
There are 22 teams in each (of the 4) division (That's for English League)
This is for 24/25 November ( paper was late this week )
English League
First Division
P W D L F A P
Everton 16 10 2 4 34 22 32
Tottenham 16 9 2 5 33 16 29
ManUnited 16 8 5 3 31 21 29
Arsenal 16 9 2 5 31 23 29
WestHam 16 7 5 4 23 22 26
SheffieldW 16 7 4 5 27 19 25
Southhamton 16 6 7 3 20 17 25
Liverpool 16 6 6 4 20 15 24 Liverpool fans take heart.
from 14th last week to 8th...dammit
(-:
Notts Forrest 16 7 3 6 26 22 24
Chelsea 16 6 5 5 26 17 23
Second Division
P W D L F A P
Oxford 15 10 4 1 35 14 34
Blackburn 16 10 3 3 33 14 33
Portsmouth 16 9 5 2 26 15 32
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 15 13 1 1 36 8 27<-interesting since their top
went to ManU ( fat lot of good..)
Celtic 15 10 4 1 36 11 24
Rangers 15 7 6 2 17 7 20
ManU rules (almost)
Ewan
edtking@washington
uw-beaver!uw-june!edtkingedtking@uw-june (Ewan David Tempero) (12/12/84)
For those curious as to what the different numbers mean ( and for those
not familier with the layout I use )
The first "P" means #games played
W means #games won
D games drawn ( or tied for you americans :-)
L games lost
F means #goals for
A goals against
The second "P" is the number of points.
The point system is 3 for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss
There are 22 teams in each (of the 4) division (That's for English League)
Also ties ( in terms of points ) are broken by goal difference
( ie goals for minus goals against )
This is for 8 & 9 December
English League
First Division
P W D L F A P
Everton 18 10 4 4 35 23 34
Tottenham 18 10 3 5 37 18 33
ManUnited 18 9 5 4 35 24 32
Arsenal 18 10 2 6 34 25 32
Southhamton 18 8 7 3 22 17 31
WestBrom 18 8 4 6 32 24 28
Chelsea 18 7 6 5 30 19 27
SheffieldW 18 7 6 5 29 21 27
Liverpool 18 7 6 5 24 19 27
Notts Forrest 18 8 3 7 29 26 27
Norwich 18 7 5 6 26 25 26
WestHam 18 7 5 6 23 25 26
Second Division
P W D L F A P
Oxford 17 11 4 2 40 16 37
Blackburn 18 11 4 3 38 17 37
Barnsley 18 9 6 3 22 11 33
Portsmouth 18 9 6 3 28 20 33
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 17 15 1 1 42 11 31
Celtic 17 11 4 2 43 16 26
Rangers 17 7 8 2 19 9 22
The second round of the FA cup was played on sunday.
ManU rules (almost)
Ewan
...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking
edtking@washingtonedtking@uw-june (Ewan David Tempero) (01/03/85)
These results are about a week old. Sorry about the delay, Xmax,New year and
Finals got in the way.
English League
First Division
P W D L F A P
Tottenham 20 12 3 5 41 20 39
ManUnited 20 11 5 4 41 24 38
Everton 20 11 4 5 43 27 37
Arsenal 20 11 3 6 39 26 36
Southhamton 20 9 7 4 26 21 34
Chelsea 20 8 7 5 35 23 31
SheffieldW 20 8 7 5 31 22 31
Liverpool 20 8 7 5 26 19 31
Second Division
P W D L F A P
Blackburn 19 12 4 3 41 17 40
Portsmouth 20 11 6 3 33 23 39
Birmingham 20 12 3 5 25 15 39
Oxford 18 11 4 3 41 18 37
Leeds 20 11 2 7 37 25 35
ManCity 20 10 5 5 29 18 35
A small note: The Scottish League play 2 points for a win, not 3 like their
English counterparts.
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 19 15 2 2 42 12 32
Celtic 19 12 5 2 45 17 29
Rangers 19 8 9 2 22 10 25
ManU rules (almost)
Ewan Tempero "Oh no, not again"
...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking
edtking@washingtonedtking@uw-june (Ewan David Tempero) (01/10/85)
These are from the weekend of 5/6 January. There were no 1,2 or 3 Division games because they were all doing FA cup. So I haven't got an up-to-date table. Some FA Cup results are. Manchester United 3 Bournemouth 0 Bristol R 1 Ipswich 2 Chelsea 2 Wigan 2 Coventry 2 Manchester City 1 Doncaster 1 Queen's Park Rangers 0 Hereford 1 Arsenal 1 Liverpool 3 Aston Villa 0 West Ham 4 Port Vale 1 Notts Forrest 1 Newcastle 1 Scottish League Premier Division P W D L F A P Aberdeen 22 16 3 3 47 16 35 Celtic 21 13 5 3 48 20 31 Rangers 22 9 10 3 29 16 288 ManU rules (almost) Ewan Tempero ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking edtking@washington
edtking@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) (01/24/85)
This is from the weekend of 19/20 Jan. A whole bunch of games were
postponed.
Results: Chelsea 1 Arsenal 1
Coventry 0 Aston Villa 3
Liverpool 4 Norwich 0
( and that's it from the first division )
English League
First Division
P W D L F A P
Everton 24 15 4 5 53 29 49
Tottenham 24 14 5 5 49 25 47
ManUnited 24 12 5 7 46 30 41
SheffieldW 24 11 8 5 39 24 41
Arsenal 24 12 4 8 44 31 40
Liverpool 24 10 8 6 33 22 38
Southhamton 24 10 7 7 29 28 37
Chelsea 24 9 9 6 40 29 36
Notts Forrest 23 11 3 9 36 34 36
Norwich 25 10 6 9 31 34 36
West Brom 24 10 4 10 37 36 34
WestHam 23 8 7 8 30 34 31
Aston Villa 24 8 7 8 30 34 31
Q. P. Rangers 24 7 9 8 32 39 30
Watford 23 7 8 8 45 42 29
Leicester 24 8 5 11 42 45 29
Newcastle 24 7 7 10 37 49 28
Sunderland 23 7 5 11 29 35 26
Coventry 25 7 4 14 26 45 25
Ipswich 23 5 7 11 21 33 22
Luton 23 5 6 12 27 43 21
Stoke 24 2 6 16 17 52 12
Second Division
P W D L F A P
Blackburn 24 14 6 4 47 23 48
Oxford 21 14 4 3 51 18 46
Man City 25 13 7 5 40 20 46 Don't get your hopes up for
Birmingham 23 14 4 5 33 21 46 promotion! Look at the games
Portsmouth 24 11 9 4 39 32 42 played column.
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 24 18 3 3 57 17 39
Celtic 21 13 5 3 48 20 31
Rangers 24 9 10 5 31 23 28
ManU rules (almost)
Ewan Tempero "Oh no, not again"
UUCP: ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking ARPA: edtking@washington.ARPAedtking@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) (02/27/85)
First a request: Anyone know the state of the FA cup?
This is from the weekend of 23/24 Jan.
Some results:
English League cup; Semi-final, first leg
Ipswich 1 Norwich 0
Division 1
Arsenal 0 ManU 1
Coventry 1 Chelsea 0
Liverpool 2 Stoke 0
Newcastle 1 Luton 0
Notts Forrest 2 Southampton 0
QPR 1 Sunderland 0
Division 2
Man City 2 Brighton 0
Blackburn 1 Oxford 1
Shrewsbury 1 Birmingham 0
English League
First Division
{ NOTE: Look at the games played column ( the first one ) before deciding
how things are. The number of games played ranges between 24 and 28
and at 3 pts for a win things can change alot. }
P W D L F A P
Everton 26 17 4 5 59 30 55
Tottenham 26 15 6 5 52 27 51
ManUnited 27 14 6 7 50 31 48
Liverpool 27 12 9 6 39 23 45
Notts Forrest 26 14 3 9 41 34 45
Arsenal 27 13 4 10 46 36 43
Southhamton 27 12 7 8 34 30 43
SheffieldW 26 11 10 5 41 26 43
Chelsea 27 10 10 7 42 31 40
Aston Villa 26 10 7 9 38 40 37
Norwich 26 10 6 10 31 35 36
West Brom 27 10 5 12 37 39 35
Q. P. Rangers 28 8 10 10 33 45 34
Newcastle 28 8 9 11 40 52 33
WestHam 25 8 8 9 32 37 32
Leicester 26 8 6 12 44 48 30
Watford 25 7 9 9 46 47 30
Sunderland 26 8 5 13 30 37 29
Coventry 27 8 4 15 28 47 28
Ipswich 24 5 7 12 22 35 22
Luton 25 5 7 13 29 46 22
Stoke 26 2 6 18 17 55 12
Second Division
P W D L F A P
Blackburn 27 15 8 4 51 26 53
Man City 28 15 7 6 45 24 52 ( note games played )
Oxford 25 15 5 5 53 21 50 <--- Weren't these guys in the
3rd division not very long ago?
Birmingham 25 15 4 6 34 22 49
Portsmouth 27 12 10 5 46 36 46
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 27 19 4 4 61 21 42
Celtic 25 16 5 4 56 22 37
Dundee United 25 13 5 7 44 25 31
Rangers 27 10 11 6 33 25 31 <--- A bit of a drop
ManU rules (almost)
Ewan Tempero "Oh no, not again"
UUCP: ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking ARPA: edtking@washington.ARPAedtking@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) (03/07/85)
This is from the weekend of 2/3 March ( I got the date right this time )
Some results:
Division 1
Arsenal 2 West Ham 1
Ipswich 2 chelsea 0
Liverpool 1 Notts Forrest 0
Luton 2 Sunderland 1
ManU 1 Everton 1
Newcastle 3 Watford 1
Sheffield W 1 Coventry 0
Division 2
Blackburn 0 Man City 1 <------ a significant result!
Oxford 0 Birmingham 3 <------ and another
English League
First Division
P W D L F A P
Everton 27 17 5 5 60 31 56
Tottenham 27 16 6 5 53 27 54
ManUnited 28 14 7 7 51 32 49
Liverpool 28 13 9 6 40 23 48 <- Anyone know how long these guys
have gone without a lose?
SheffieldW 27 12 10 5 42 26 46
Arsenal 28 14 4 10 48 37 46
Southhamton 28 13 7 8 38 33 46
Notts Forrest 27 14 3 10 41 35 45
Chelsea 28 10 10 8 42 33 40
Aston Villa 27 10 77 10 38 41 37
Norwich 27 10 7 10 33 37 37
Newcastle 29 9 9 11 43 53 36
West Brom 26 10 5 13 40 43 35
Q. P. Rangers 29 8 11 10 35 47 35
Leicester 27 9 6 12 45 48 33
WestHam 26 8 8 10 33 39 32
Watford 26 7 9 10 47 50 50
Sunderland 27 8 5 14 31 39 39
Coventry 28 8 4 16 28 48 28
Ipswich 24 5 7 12 24 35 25
Luton 26 6 7 13 31 47 25
Stoke 27 2 6 19 17 56 12
Second Division
It's still difficult to tell what's happening here because of the
difference in number of games played but Man City is looking good.
P W D L F A P
Man City 29 16 7 6 46 24 55
Blackburn 28 15 8 5 51 27 53
Birmingham 26 16 4 6 37 22 52
Oxford 26 15 5 6 53 24 50
Leeds 29 13 8 8 49 32 47
Portsmouth 28 12 11 5 46 36 47
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 28 20 4 4 64 21 44
Celtic 26 16 6 4 56 22 38
Rangers 28 11 11 6 36 26 33
Dundee United 26 13 6 7 44 25 32
ManU rules (almost)
Ewan Tempero "Oh no, not again"
UUCP: ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking ARPA: edtking@washington.ARPAedtking@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) (05/01/85)
It's two weeks to go with an average of about 4 games left ( max is 42 ).
Just about everything has been decided.
FA cup finalists are Everton and Manchester United to play at Wembly
on 19th May ( I think ). It's the first time I can remember the two
top teams ( assuming ManU stay there which they probably won't )
have played in the final ( ie since about '74 ). Note that if Everton
wins then they have the coverted 'double'. I think Arsenal were the
last to get this in about '72. ( All corrections welcomed )
Results: English League First Division
Arsenal 1 Sheffield W 0
Aston Villa 5 Queen's PR 2
Chelsea 1 Tottenham 1
Covertry 2 West Brom 1
Everton 3 Norwich 0
Ipswich 0 Liverpool 0 ( oh how the mighty have fallen )
Leicester 1 Notts F 0
Man United 2 Sunderland 2 ( see what I mean? )
Newcastle 2 Southampton 2
Watford 2 Stoke 0
West Ham 0 Luton 0
Division 2
Barnsley 0 Birmingham 1
Charlton 1 Blankburn 0
Leeds 1 Oxford 0 ( complacency sets in )
Portsmouth 1 Man City 2
English League
First Division
P W D L F A P
Everton 35 24 6 5 80 36 78 <- 3 draws or a win. close :-)
ManUnited 38 19 10 9 70 41 67 <- maximum possible is 79...
Tottenham 37 19 8 10 67 42 65 <- maximum possible is 80...
SheffieldW 38 16 14 8 55 39 62
Arsenal 39 18 8 13 57 44 62
Liverpool 35 17 10 8 52 26 61
Southhamton 38 17 10 11 50 44 61
Notts Forrest 38 18 6 14 54 44 60
Chelsea 37 15 12 10 54 41 57
Aston Villa 39 14 11 14 55 57 53
Watford 37 12 12 13 67 62 48
Leicester 39 14 6 19 60 65 48
West Brom 39 14 6 19 49 59 48
Newcastle 39 12 12 15 52 67 48
Q. P. Rangers 39 12 11 16 48 64 47
Norwich 38 12 9 17 44 61 45
Ipswich 37 11 10 16 39 51 43
Luton 36 11 9 16 47 57 42
WestHam 35 10 12 13 42 54 42
Sunderland 39 10 10 19 39 54 40
Coventry 35 12 4 19 38 55 40
Stoke 37 3 8 26 22 78 17 <- I bet these guys can't wait for
the end of the season!
Second Division
P W D L F A P
Oxford 39 24 7 8 76 32 79 <- A definite promotion
Birmingham 39 23 6 10 56 33 75 <- needs at least a draw
Man City 39 20 10 9 60 39 70 { It's probably between these two
Blackburn 39 19 10 10 60 39 67 {
Leeds 39 18 11 10 63 40 65
Portsmouth 39 17 14 8 63 49 65
Scottish League
Premier Division
P W D L F A P
Aberdeen 34 25 5 4 84 25 55
Celtic 33 21 7 5 74 28 49
Dundee U 34 19 7 8 65 31 45
Ewan
ManU rules (almost)
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Ewan
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Ewan Tempero "Oh no, not again"
UUCP: ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking ARPA: edtking@washington.ARPA
Please check all nuclear arms at the door.ewan@uw-june (Ewan Tempero) (03/07/86)
These results are reprinted without permission from
The Manchester Guardian Weekly, Week ending March 2
Canon League - First Division
P W D L F A Pts
Everton 30 19 5 6 69 35 62 ( hiss boo! :-)
Manchester United 29 18 5 6 52 23 59 ah but a game in hand..
Liverpool 30 15 9 6 57 33 54 has beens
Chelsea 27 16 6 5 45 29 54 *3* games in hand
West Ham 26 15 6 5 42 24 51
Luton 30 13 9 8 47 33 48
.......
Manchester City 30 11 8 11 36 38 41 11th position
.....
Leicester 28 6 9 13 37 51 27
Oxford 29 6 8 15 42 57 26
Ipswich 28 7 5 16 22 40 26
Aston Villa 28 5 10 13 31 43 25
Birmingham 29 6 4 19 19 42 22
West Bromich Albium 30 3 7 20 25 68 16
Second Division
P W D L F A Pts
Norwich 29 18 7 4 60 26 61
Portsmouth 29 17 4 8 50 25 55
Charlton 27 14 6 7 50 30 48
Wimbledon 28 12 7 8 37 28 46
Sheffield United 28 12 7 9 47 40 43
Brighton 29 12 7 10 49 44 43
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Ewan
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Ewan Tempero UUCP: ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!ewan ARPA: ewan@washington.ARPA
I have found a most wonderful proof for P <> NP but net etiquette on the
size of .signature files doesn't allow me to give it here.....archer@hsi.UUCP (Garry Archer) (03/10/86)
> These results are reprinted without permission from > The Manchester Guardian Weekly, Week ending March 2 > > Canon League - First Division > P W D L F A Pts > Everton 30 19 5 6 69 35 62 ( hiss boo! :-) > Manchester United 29 18 5 6 52 23 59 ah but a game in hand.. > Liverpool 30 15 9 6 57 33 54 has beens > Chelsea 27 16 6 5 45 29 54 *3* games in hand > West Ham 26 15 6 5 42 24 51 > Luton 30 13 9 8 47 33 48 > ....... > Manchester City 30 11 8 11 36 38 41 11th position > ..... > Leicester 28 6 9 13 37 51 27 > Oxford 29 6 8 15 42 57 26 > Ipswich 28 7 5 16 22 40 26 > Aston Villa 28 5 10 13 31 43 25 > Birmingham 29 6 4 19 19 42 22 > West Bromich Albium 30 3 7 20 25 68 16 > > > Second Division > P W D L F A Pts > Norwich 29 18 7 4 60 26 61 > Portsmouth 29 17 4 8 50 25 55 > Charlton 27 14 6 7 50 30 48 > Wimbledon 28 12 7 8 37 28 46 > Sheffield United 28 12 7 9 47 40 43 > Brighton 29 12 7 10 49 44 43 > > > -- > Ewan > > ------------ > Ewan Tempero UUCP: ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!ewan ARPA: ewan@washington.ARPA > I have found a most wonderful proof for P <> NP but net etiquette on the > size of .signature files doesn't allow me to give it here..... I HATE to be a crab and a pain in the neck, BUT....... your listings are very nice for "top-of-first and top-of-second division fans", but if you have the FULL league listings from The Manchester Guardian Weekly, I for one would greatly appreciate you reporting the FULL listings! I am a Derby County fan (yes, there are some of us around, and we STILL remember the good ol' days when Derby won Championships and even mangaged to get to the semi-final of the European Cup!) and I understand that Derby are HOT in the third division this season. I'm starved for news. I keep hearing weeks old news that Derby were second to Reading, with games in hand. What's happening out there??? Did we EVER get by Sheffield Wednesday in the F.A. Cup? Last I heard we had to replay at Hillsboro Thanks for your listings, but I and other third and fourth division fanatics are REALLY lost without news. Now, if you think lack of news of Derby is frustrating for me, I have a friend here in the USA who comes from Scunthorpe... he doesn't even know if his team still plays!!!! If ANY fellow Englishmen/women back in Blighty can help out, please do! -- Garry Archer ihnp4!hsi!archer Health Systems International New Haven, CT 06511 USA