ira@teltone.UUCP (Ira Chayut) (02/16/84)
I am posting the below for Specialized Systems Consultants, who can
receive/send mail, but don't yet have a news hook-up. If you have any
questions and/or comments, please forward them to:
...uw-beaver!teltone!ssc!irene.
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~UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratoriesfair@dual.UUCP (02/29/84)
I'm curious: How many USENET Contact people out there got a flyer in the
Snail mail for this? I wouldn't have noticed, except the address had the
phrase `Engineering Department System' in it, which I have put in exactly
one place... our USENET Compact Directory entry! (You know, the one
maintained by Karen Summers-Horton out of the goodness of her heart,
posted once a month, on the first of the month, in net.news.map).
Can the people at SSC confirm or deny that they have used the
USENET Compact Directory as a direct marketing mailing list?
Can the people at Teltone give us a hint about these `SSC' people?
a little irritated to see yet more junk Snail mail,
Erik E. Fair
dual!fair@BERKELEY.ARPA
{ihnp4,ucbvax,cbosgd,decwrl,amd70,fortune,zehntel}!dual!fair
Dual Systems Corporation, Berkeley, California
P.S. For the folks who are not USENET system administrators, can you
check to see that your admin is reading net.news.sa, please?
If they're not, please suggest that they do so, since that group
is intended to reach them all...mark@cbosgd.UUCP (Mark Horton) (02/29/84)
Personally, I get enough junk mail from lots of random sources that I never gave my permission to sell my name for, that I don't mind getting junk mail based on the Usenet directory. I do want to emphasize that the purpose of the Usenet directory is not for mailing lists, but so that we'll know (a) who is on the net, and (b) who to contact when something breaks. I've been trying to track down the sites that are generating rejection notices for net.announce the last few days, and about half of them are sites that not only run the old buggy software (even though the fix has been out for over 6 months) but also have not bothered to announce themsleves, so I don't know who places like spuxll, ltuxa, and symplex are. Trying to track down the contact person for these sites is hard because we have no info on them. spuxll is even harder because they get news from abnjh, another site for which we have no information. This is why it's important to have the list and for it to be complete. Obviously, SSC or any other generator of junk mail is obligated to remove anybody from their list who requests it (I think this is a USPS regulation.) And since we do not intend the Usenet directory to be used this way, we are not obligated to help them by marking unwilling junk mail recipients in the master list. (However, if there is sentiment that such marks would be of overall benefit to Usenet, we may consider it.) What I'd like to know is: what is the sentiment of Usenet on this issue - especially the netnews contacts to whom such mail is directed (thus I've added net.news.adm to this list)? Do you object to the Usenet directory (which is currently put into the public domain each month) being used for product mailing lists? What about other things (headhunters come to mind)? Should we include some kind of policy statement in the cover letter that restricts the uses it can be put to? Would it do any good? Mark
scw@cepu.UUCP (03/02/84)
>Personally, I get enough junk mail from lots of random sources that >I never gave my permission to sell my name for, that I don't mind >getting junk mail based on the Usenet directory. Ditto, I think. >I do want to emphasize that the purpose of the Usenet directory >is not for mailing lists ... be complete. HEAR HEAR! >Obviously, SSC or any other generator of junk mail is obligated to >remove anybody [...] we are not obligated to help them by marking >unwilling junk mail recipients in the master list. (However, if there >is sentiment that such marks would be of overall benefit to Usenet, >we may consider it.) I don't think that it's worth your effort. >What I'd like to know is: what is the sentiment >of Usenet on this issue - especially the netnews contacts to whom >such mail is directed (thus I've added net.news.adm to this list)? >Do you object to the Usenet directory (which is currently put into >the public domain each month) being used for product mailing lists? Somehow I think that some of the employers on the net won't like it. especially headhunters. >What about other things (headhunters come to mind)? Should we >include some kind of policy statement in the cover letter that >restricts the uses it can be put to? Would it do any good? I think that it'd be a real good idea to note that the net (is not for) /(should not be used for) comercial purposes. I suspect that a firm statment that violators will be removed from the net, assuming that we can/will do so (dropping their feed?) may do the trick. How about a news group for product announcments and adverts (net.adds or net.madison_ave)? That is a portion of the net that is SPECIFICLY for comercial purposes. Any discussion on this? -- Stephen C. Woods (VA Wadsworth Med Ctr./UCLA Dept. of Neurology) uucp: { {ihnp4, uiucdcs}!bradley, hao, trwrb, sdcsvax!bmcg}!cepu!scw ARPA: cepu!scw@ucla-locus location: N 34 06'37" W 118 25'43"
jr@qtlon.UUCP (Jim R Oldroyd) (03/06/84)
<> Yes, we should include a notice preventing the list being used by junk mail distributors. If only because it would cut down the amount of transmission time. I mean, I have to pay for a TRANSATLANTIC telephone conversation, and how do you think I feel when I log on in the morning and get tons of trash???! -- ++jim jr@qtlon.uk.UUCP ++jim <england>!ukc!qtlon!jr ++jim