bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (08/16/85)
Expires: Quoted from <2565@amdcad.UUCP> ["Re: Re: Re: Limiting logons to licensed number: how?"], by phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai)... +--------------- | This whining about the cost of the ATT Unix license is ridiculous. | A single user binary only license costs $60. That's cheaper than | wordstar... +--------------- What comes with it? Certainly not ksh; I would also doubt csh. (Heck, at that price I would even doubt that sh came with it!) I also assume 8088. Memory? Well? --bsa (Now all I need is a hard disk...) -- Brandon Allbery, Unix Consultant -- 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, OH 44131 decvax!cwruecmp!ncoast!bsa; ncoast!bsa@case.csnet; +1 216 524 1416; 74106,1032 -- -- "Well, we can't go dragging around the universe with a dormant Gravis on the console!" --Tegan, FRONTIOS
phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (08/19/85)
In article <839@ncoast.UUCP> bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) writes: >> A single user binary only license costs $60. That's cheaper than wordstar... > >What comes with it? Certainly not ksh; I would also doubt csh. (Heck, at that >price I would even doubt that sh came with it!) I also assume 8088. Memory? I believe that currently ksh is not part of System V and would not be included. sh is part of System V and is included. As far as I know, csh is derived from sh; if you get permission from the University of California then you are all set as far as licensing. See the software schedule from ATT (in our case, it was attached to document Sys. V-Corp.-030183-1) if you have more questions on which utilities are included. Note that I'm not talking about a "product" in the sense of PC-DOS, I'm talking about the ATT license. You still have to come up with the binaries themselves. If you already had a source license then you can generate the binaries yourself but you need a binary license for each machine you concurrently run the binaries on. This issue comes up at large sites where you might have one source machine and many binary machines and is probably the most common case where binary only licenses are sold. If you don't have the $43,000 source license, you have to find someone to sell you binaries. They don't have to sell you the license if you already have one but most vendors would probably prefer to sell you both binaries and a license. In any case, their cost under the arrangement which yields the lowest incremental cost (but requires the greatest capital outlay) is $60 per 1-2 user system for the ATT binary only license. This information is from the schedule for UNIX System V, Release 2.0 Version 1, O-040184. It does not appear that ATT cares which processor, 8088 or 68000, or how much memory you use, 1M or 64K. If IBM charges $995 for PC/AT Xenix, only $60 goes to ATT. This doesn't make the software any cheaper but at least you know how much money is going into whose pockets. -- Yuck! This coke tastes different! Phil Ngai (408) 749-5720 UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPA
seth@megad.UUCP (Seth H Zirin) (08/21/85)
> +--------------- > | This whining about the cost of the ATT Unix license is ridiculous. > | A single user binary only license costs $60. That's cheaper than > | wordstar... > +--------------- > What comes with it? Certainly not ksh; I would also doubt csh. (Heck, at that > price I would even doubt that sh came with it!) I also assume 8088. Memory? The init process would be hard put to run /etc/rc or create a single-user login without at least /bin/sh. If you're interested in a CHEAP (pronounced inexpensive but full function) System V Unix box, look no further than page 65 of the August 1985 issue of Unix Review. I have several of them. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Seth H Zirin UUCP: {decvax, ihnp4}!philabs!sbcs!megad!seth Keeper of the News for megad