ddyment@watmath.UUCP (Doug Dyment) (11/20/85)
>> >>If anyone decides to write a brand new version of Unix, then >>this should be put straight once and for all. It is now over 15 >>years since ISO decided that Monday is the first day of the >>week. Hence, we can number the days 0-6 or 1-7, but Monday >>should be first! >> > For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the >week. Look at any calandar[sic]. > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the week. Look at any bible. But actually, I'll stick with the ISO argument.
ags@pucc-h (Dave Seaman) (11/22/85)
>>>It is now over 15 >>>years since ISO decided that Monday is the first day of the >>>week. Hence, we can number the days 0-6 or 1-7, but Monday >>>should be first! >>> >> For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the >>week. Look at any calandar[sic]. >> > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the >week. Look at any bible. What bible even mentions "Sunday"? The bible only refers to the "Sabbath", which is the seventh day of the week. This is why Jews (it's their bible, after all) celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday. The calendar does not lie. Sunday is the first day of the week. -- Dave Seaman {decvax|harpo|ihnp4|inuxc|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h!ags
garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) (11/23/85)
> >>If anyone decides to write a brand new version of Unix, then > >>this should be put straight once and for all. It is now over 15 > >>years since ISO decided that Monday is the first day of the > >>week. Hence, we can number the days 0-6 or 1-7, but Monday > >>should be first! > > For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the > >week. Look at any calandar[sic]. French calendars have Monday first. > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the > week. Look at any bible. > > But actually, I'll stick with the ISO argument. Looking at my bible reveals that the word "Sunday" does not appear at all. The last day of the week is called the "Sabbath." The first day of the week is called simply that, the first day of the week. But what difference does it make to the operating system which day is first? If you want to print a calendar, you can put any day you like in column 1. The internal encoding for the names of the days of the week is arbitrary and should not have any external significance. Suppose the names were hashed; then they might appear in any order (no, you probably wouldn't hash a table with only seven entries; that's not the point). Gary Samuelson
alexis@reed.UUCP (Alexis Dimitriadis) (11/23/85)
> > For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the > >week. Look at any calandar[sic]. > > > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the > week. Look at any bible. This is rapidly getting irrelevant, but remember, the seventh day is the _Sabbath_. ISO apparently invented the convention. Also, at least one language (Greek) names several days of the week with their ordinal number. Monday -> Second. Too bad ISO didn't stick to the historical order. Alexis Dimitriadis -- _______________________________________________ Any opinions expressed above have been grown organically and contain no preservatives or artificial sweeteners. alexis @ reed {decvax,ihnp4,ucbcad,uw-beaver}!tektronix!reed.UUCP
wcs@ho95e.UUCP (Bill.Stewart.4K435.x0705) (11/25/85)
In article <174@watmath.UUCP> ddyment@watmath.UUCP (Doug Dyment) writes: > >> For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the >>week. Look at any calandar[sic]. >> > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the >week. Look at any bible. > Funny, my Bible refers to the Sabbath, but it doesn't use the modern names, which are mostly of pagan European origin. However, the Jews, for whom the Sabbath is a way of life, still think Saturday is the Sabbath, and I doubt they'd have gotten it wrong. There are early records from the Romans which refer to Christians getting together on the *first* day of the week for their meetings, i.e. Sunday, in honor of the resurrection. Gradually this absorbed many of the Sabbath traditions (most early Christians *were* Jewish), and many groups have treated Sunday as the Sabbath; others, such as the Seventh-Day Adventists, point out that the Sabbath is still Saturday. I get the impression that renumbering the days of the week so they start with Monday is a recent European rationalization of "Sunday is our Sabbath so it must be the 7th day of the week"; customary usage in the USA is that the week starts on Sunday, whereas I remember learning the days of the week in French as "<monday>, <tuesday>..." (Sorry, but I never could spell them) Bill Arrgh! An electrical virus is eating my terminal! -- ## Bill Stewart, AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ 1-201-949-0705 ihnp4!ho95c!wcs
medin@noscvax.UUCP (Ted Medin) (11/26/85)
In article <174@watmath.UUCP> ddyment@watmath.UUCP (Doug Dyment) writes: > >>> >>>If anyone decides to write a brand new version of Unix, then >>>this should be put straight once and for all. It is now over 15 >>>years since ISO decided that Monday is the first day of the >>>week. Hence, we can number the days 0-6 or 1-7, but Monday >>>should be first! >>> >> For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the >>week. Look at any calandar[sic]. >> > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the >week. Look at any bible. > > But actually, I'll stick with the ISO argument. I suggest you dust off your bible and read it. The saboth(saturday) is the 7th day. Early Christians met on the first day of the week(sunday or Lords day).
leif@erisun.UUCP (Leif Samuelsson) (11/26/85)
Ok, here's my final comment on this subject for now: Would anyone on the net claim that Sunday is not part of the week-end? Leif Samuelsson ..enea!erix!erisun!leif Ericsson Information Systems AB, Advanced Workstations Division S-172 93 SUNDBYBERG, Sweden (59 19' N / 17 57' E) ---------------------- ! ! ! | ! ! ! ! This is not a pipe ! (Actually, it's an o with two dots) ----------------------
mbr@aoa.UUCP (Mark Rosenthal) (11/28/85)
In article <10@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: >This discussion in SILLY. What name the "first" day >of the week has is a matter of CONVENTION. So is the >number of days in a week, which is not even based on >an astronomical periodicity. Not even based on an astronomical periodicity? How about phases of the moon? -- Mark of the Valley of Roses ...!{decvax,linus,ima,ihnp4}!bbncca!aoa!mbr
mike@rlvd.UUCP (Mike Woods) (11/28/85)
In article <402@erisun.UUCP> leif@erisun.UUCP (Leif Samuelsson) writes: > >Would anyone on the net claim that Sunday is not part >of the week-end? > No, but I would point out that like a piece of string, the week has two ends. I think this discussion has become a bit of a waste of time. The point of the matter is that the beginning of the week, year, month, time is a subjective assessment by individuals. When most individual agree on one point to start it is accepted as a convention (de facto standard). For a good many years there has been a convention in the West that the week starts on Sunday. Clearly this convention no longer seems to be generally accepted. Mike. P.S How many people really observe a start of the week? I find that I have a working week and a weekend and a working week. I find no start or finish to any particular week. -- UK JANET: mike@uk.ac.rl.vd UUCP: ..!mcvax!ukc!rlvd!mike
bandy@lll-crg.ARpA (Andrew Scott Beals) (11/28/85)
In article <262@ho95e.UUCP> wcs@ho95e.UUCP (Bill Stewart ( 1-201-949-0705 ihnp4!ho95c!wcs )) writes: >In article <174@watmath.UUCP> ddyment@watmath.UUCP (Doug Dyment) writes: >>> For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the >>>week. Look at any calandar[sic]. >> For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the >>week. Look at any bible. >I get the impression that renumbering the days of the week so they >start with Monday is a recent European rationalization of "Sunday is >our Sabbath so it must be the 7th day of the week"; customary usage in >the USA is that the week starts on Sunday, whereas I remember learning >the days of the week in French as "<monday>, <tuesday>..." (Sorry, but I >never could spell them) If I remember correctly, the National Bureau of Standards published a standard some time ago that calendars should be marked with Monday as the first day of the week. -- There once was a fellow named Moorehead, Who had an affair with a warhead. His wife moved away The very next day-- She /was/ always kind of a sorehead. andy beals - bandy@lll-crg.arpa - {seismo,ihnp4!sun,dual}!lll-crg!bandy
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (11/30/85)
> Not even based on an astronomical periodicity? How about phases of the moon?
Nope.franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) (12/03/85)
In article <402@erisun.UUCP> leif@erisun.UUCP (Leif Samuelsson) writes: >Ok, here's my final comment on this subject for now: > >Would anyone on the net claim that Sunday is not part >of the week-end? +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | | | | | | | | | Sun | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | | | | | | | | | +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ Sunday is on one end, and Saturday is on the other end. (I don't care either way, myself, as long as it is clear in whatever context the issue comes up.) Frank Adams ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka Multimate International 52 Oakland Ave North E. Hartford, CT 06108
boston@celerity.UUCP (Boston Office) (12/05/85)
In article <174@watmath.UUCP> ddyment@watmath.UUCP (Doug Dyment) writes: > >>> >>>If anyone decides to write a brand new version of Unix, then >>>this should be put straight once and for all. It is now over 15 >>>years since ISO decided that Monday is the first day of the >>>week. Hence, we can number the days 0-6 or 1-7, but Monday >>>should be first! >>> >> For several hundred years sunday has been the first day of the >>week. Look at any calandar[sic]. >> > For several thousand years Sunday has been the last day of the >week. Look at any bible. > > But actually, I'll stick with the ISO argument. Gee, as far as I'm concerned, the Bible agrees with Sunday being the first day. After all, the Sabbath is the last day, and ANY rabbi will tell you that's Saturday!