manheime@nbs-amrf.UUCP (Ken Manheimer) (05/07/86)
A little more than three weeks ago i posted a query for pointers to
(and relative merits of) Unix hosted on IBM 4381 machines.
Unfortunately, during two of the intervening three weeks our
connection to usenet was entirely down (due to a head crash on the
spooling disk and extenuating events), so i have missed any
responses that might have been sent to me. In fact, i have not
received any responses. Our net contact has now stabilized. If
you did send (or post) any response, i'd appreciate it very much if
you would send it once again to me.
I mentioned in that message that the IBM is running VM/SP, with CMS
and a retinue of what are apparently standard IBM VM products (i'm
only peripherally associated with the IBM), and that it's not clear
what constraints we would have on configuring Unix on the machine.
Incidentally, i concurrently posted a similar request for C hosted
on the IBM, and the only response i've gotten so far was from a
coworker here at this lab, who suggested looking into the SAS
lattice C port. I've found an SAS advertisement in _The C Journal_,
vol 1, # 4, Winter 1986, and am just in the process of contacting
the company.
Thanks for your attention...,
Ken Manheimer Integrated Systems Group, Factory Automation Systems Division
National Bureau of Standards
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Gaithersburg, MD 20899gwyn@brl-smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) (05/09/86)
IBM offers a fully supported implementation of UNIX System V, caleed IX/370, which runs on top of VM/SP. This is almost certainly your best bet.
os848@homxb.UUCP (M.AJEMIAN) (05/10/86)
UNIX on IBM mainframe architectures:
Amdahl has probably the best UNIX port to IBM mainframe architectures.
It's called UTS (for Universal Time Sharing, they say) and is presently up
to SVR2 and there are Amdahl people porting SVR3 right now. It's fast,
reliable (relatively), and supports layers. Just about everything compiles
the first time, usually faster than the output of make can be displayed at
1200 baud.
This message is being sent from an Amdahl UTS system.
$ uname -a
uts homxb 5.2.4 5 580dts@cullvax.UUCP (Daniel T Senie) (05/11/86)
> IBM offers a fully supported implementation of UNIX System V, > caleed IX/370, which runs on top of VM/SP. This is almost > certainly your best bet. Amdahl offers UTS which runs under VM/SP or native on the 370. The latter was announced just recently. Their product has been around several years, and may be somewhat more mature. IX/370 was ported by Interactive Systems, the same people who did PC/IX (Which was an awful port). Check what commands are/re not supported under IX/370 before you make any decisions. (PC/IX didn't have a more command). -- Daniel T. Senie TEL.: (617) 329-7700 x3168 Cullinet Software, Inc. UUCP: seismo!mit-eddie!cullvax!dts 400 Blue Hill Drive ARPA: cullvax!dts@eddie.mit.edu Westwood, MA 02090-2198
kehres@styx.UUCP (Tim Kehres) (05/12/86)
In article <697@brl-smoke.ARPA> gwyn@brl.ARPA writes: >IBM offers a fully supported implementation of UNIX System V, >caleed IX/370, which runs on top of VM/SP. This is almost >certainly your best bet. Only if you are not terribly interested in doing much with it. It is VERY slow, especially when running multiple guest machines. Amdahl's UTS I hear is a much faster UNIX. Tim Kehres Control Data Corporaton / Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory ---------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: {idi,ihnp4!lll-lcc}!styx!kehres ARPA: kehres@lll-tis-b.ARPA AT&T: (415) 423-6252
pats@bnrmtv.UUCP (05/16/86)
> In article <697@brl-smoke.ARPA> gwyn@brl.ARPA writes: > >IBM offers a fully supported implementation of UNIX System V, > >caleed IX/370, which runs on top of VM/SP. This is almost > >certainly your best bet. > > > Only if you are not terribly interested in doing much with it. It is > VERY slow, especially when running multiple guest machines. Amdahl's > UTS I hear is a much faster UNIX. > > > Tim Kehres Amdahl's UTS is great! We have it running an a 3083 (IBM). We did beta testing for the UTS/V product (Full blown UNIX System V, Release 2) and decided to keep it. IBM approached us for testing IX/370 but we respectfully declined. IBM does not provide sources or support for it's own 3270 type terminals! This is a major disadvantage in my opinon. There is a new product from Amdahl called UTS/580 that will run native on an 580 type machine or run as aguest host under VM (on any "IBM compatable" machine). UTS is fast, we have ~80 users on UTS at one time along with all of those logged in under VM. Response time can slow down if one of the IBM users cranks something up (we have CBDS, IBM's CAD system, what a hog!!...speaking from the point of view of a UTS user :-). But in general, the response time is quite good. Pat Shriver BNR, Inc. Mountain View, Ca. 415-940-2154
gwyn@brl-smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) (05/17/86)
In article <20653@styx.UUCP> kehres@styx.UUCP (Tim Kehres) writes: >In article <697@brl-smoke.ARPA> gwyn@brl.ARPA writes: >>IBM offers a fully supported implementation of UNIX System V, >>caleed IX/370, which runs on top of VM/SP. This is almost >>certainly your best bet. > >Only if you are not terribly interested in doing much with it. It is >VERY slow, especially when running multiple guest machines. Amdahl's >UTS I hear is a much faster UNIX. I have only very limited exposure to IX/370 and none to UTS, but the current version of IX/370 (single virtual UNIX system) on a small 43xx didn't seem particularly slow to me. My advice is to try before you buy.
weisfeld@endot.UUCP (Matt Weisfeld) (05/21/86)
wondering about the best way to approach the flat file system. If anyone has any pointers about this problem, or how to avoid any others, I would be grateful. Thanks