SLG6M%USU.BITNET@WISCVM.arpa (07/03/86)
Help! I have been trying without success for the past two weeks
to send a mail message to Nigel Holder at Marconi Research. I
am connected to Bitnet, which allegedly has the capability to
send mail to JANET via a gateway at a Bitnet node called UKACRL
in London. It gets to London via Bitnet OK, but then I keep getting
"YF21@UK.CO.GEC-MRC.U Is an invalid assress. No delivery made."
mailed back to me? Any ideas a) what's going wrong here, and b)
how do I send a message to Nigel?
The message that I wanted to send to Nigel is that I am interested
in the public domain version of talk for System V unix that he advertised.
However, I recall he said something about it being placed on a file
server (one I don't know how to access), but I think it would be
easier just to mail it to me at USU.
--David Barts
SLG6M%USU.BITNET
Utah State University, Logan, Utah, USAzben@umd5.UUCP (Ben Cranston) (07/07/86)
In article <1942@brl-smoke.ARPA> SLG6M%USU.BITNET@WISCVM.arpa writes: > Help! I have been trying without success for the past two weeks > to send a mail message to Nigel Holder at Marconi Research. I > am connected to Bitnet, which allegedly has the capability to > send mail to JANET via a gateway at a Bitnet node called UKACRL > in London. It gets to London via Bitnet OK, but then I keep getting > "YF21@UK.CO.GEC-MRC.U Is an invalid assress. No delivery made." > mailed back to me? Any ideas a) what's going wrong here, and b) > how do I send a message to Nigel? a: There's some kind of bovine feces about passwords using that gateway, see below for more information. b: I would suggest you use the other address: yf21%u.gec-mrc.co.uk@ucl-cs that Nigel advertises in his .signature. Note that the British net uses backwards domaining, and that ucl-cs reverses it for you while ukacrl does not. c: Bovine Feces: From "EDUCOM NETWORKING" Volume 2 Number 1 1986 page 6: EARNET/JANET GATEWAY DEVELOPMENT A gateway between the European Academic Research Network (EARN) and the Joint Academic Network for academic and research institutes in the United Kingdom (JANET) is under development at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in England. Currently EARN, BITNET's European counterpart, numbers 269 nodes. With the addition of JANET, networking capabilities expand by approximately 200 computers. When fully operational, the gateway will allow transfer of files and mail between BITNET/EARN/NetNorth and JANET sites. NetNorth, the 81-node Canadian academic and research network, has direct links to BITNET and EARN. The file transfer facilities of the gateway are available now. To transfer a file to a JANET node, the first two lines of the file must be: //* *FILE SITE=site name,USER=user id,PSWD=password,DEV=file //* *FILE FILE=file name,KEEP=NO The password is normally the one associated with the userid. However, password information may not be required, particularly on IBM VM/CMS systems. The file should be send to id JANET at EARN node UKACRL. The mail gateway to JANET is under development and should be available by late March. When this work is complete, BITNET/EARN/NetNorth nodes with Columbia mailers can send mail to JANET nodes with the following address: userid@site.AC.UK For example, mail to Fred on JANET node RL.GB would be send with the address: Fred@GB.RL.AC.UK Note that node names must be reversed for transmission into JANET. That is, the node at which Fred receives his mail would be presented on a JANET node list as UK.AC.RL.GB. BITNET/EARN/NetNorth nodes without the Columbia mailer must send files to communicate with JANET nodes. JANET uses the "Coloured Books" protocols developed in the U.K., and BITNET/EARN/NetNorth use IBM's NJE/NJI protocols. Due to lack of standardization in both environments, not all facilities will be available to all nodes. For mail transfer, the BITNET/EARN/NetNorth node must provide the Columbia mailer or compatable system, and the JANET node must offer "Grey Book" mail. Binary file transfer will only be supported between IBM nodes on either network. Interactive messaging will not be supported through the gateway. Not all JANET sites will be known to the gateway at Rutherford. A list of available nodes will be posted on NICSERVE when the gateway is operational. -CKW [OK zben here again] Whew. The bovine feces concern the password stuff. There is probably a password built into the binary for the Columbia mailer, which is an object-only distribution. The Columbia mailer is written in IBM assembler code, so you can see how much fun it is trying to support a non-IBM-370 machine on BitNet, and why non-IBM-370 machines are sometimes made to feel second-class citizens. Oh well. If you've read this far, you might wonder how to get from BITNET to the ARPA gateway. I don't know for sure, because I don't know if WISCVM does the 'rightmost percent sign' stuff for multiple gateways. One might write an address like: yf21%u.gec-mrc.co.uk%ucl-cs.arpa@wiscvm ^ ^ and one would want wiscvm to interpret the RIGHTMOST percent sign of the two. I think this is the right thing to do, and all MY mail software does this. If you support a mailer that does percent sign, consider implementing this subtle point. Also note that there was a five-part SENDMAIL patch system posted to mod.sources some time ago. I printed it off but quite frankly do not know enough to pick out which gateway it finally ended up using out of the mass of stuff posted. The ID coordinates were: 1636, 1638, 1639, 1642, and 1643 at "panda.UUCP". They were submitted by: Jim Crammond <seismo!mcvax!cs.hw.ac.uk!jim> Some people call me a packrat. -- umd5.UUCP <= {seismo!umcp-cs,ihnp4!rlgvax}!cvl!umd5!zben Ben Cranston zben @ umd2.UMD.EDU Kingdom of Merryland Sperrows 1100/92 umd2.BITNET "via HASP with RSCS"
herbie@polaris.UUCP (Herb Chong) (07/09/86)
In article <1062@umd5.UUCP> zben@umd5.UUCP (Ben Cranston) writes: >The bovine feces concern the password stuff. >There is probably a password built into the binary for the Columbia mailer, >which is an object-only distribution. The Columbia mailer is written in >IBM assembler code, so you can see how much fun it is trying to support a >non-IBM-370 machine on BitNet, and why non-IBM-370 machines are sometimes >made to feel second-class citizens. Oh well. this not quite true. on VM, most of the Columbia mailer is in REXX, an interpreted command language which does many of the things that people use shell scripts for. there are parts written in assembler but there are enough operating system services that REXX does fine the way it is. >If you've read this far, you might wonder how to get from BITNET to the >ARPA gateway. I don't know for sure, because I don't know if WISCVM does >the 'rightmost percent sign' stuff for multiple gateways. One might >write an address like: > > yf21%u.gec-mrc.co.uk%ucl-cs.arpa@wiscvm > ^ ^ >and one would want wiscvm to interpret the RIGHTMOST percent sign of the >two. I think this is the right thing to do, and all MY mail software does >this. If you support a mailer that does percent sign, consider implementing >this subtle point. wiscvm does do this. i regularly gateway my mail to the UK via WISCVM/CSNET-RELAY/UCL.AC.UK. the path (for whatever reason) seems to work better than sending to ucl-cs.ARPA as suggested above. Herb Chong, IBM Research... I'm still user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble.... VNET,BITNET,NETNORTH,EARN: HERBIE AT YKTVMH UUCP: {allegra|cbosgd|cmcl2|decvax|ihnp4|seismo}!philabs!polaris!herbie CSNET: herbie%ibm.com@csnet-relay ARPA: herbie@ibm.com, herbie%yktvmh.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu ======================================================================== DISCLAIMER: what you just read was produced by pouring lukewarm tea for 42 seconds onto 9 people chained to 6 Ouiji boards.