rbj@ICST-CMR.arpa (07/18/86)
From escott@ICS.UCI.EDU Thu Jul 17 16:00:07 1986 Received: from ICS.UCI.EDU (ics.uci.edu.ARPA) by icst-cmr.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA11197; Thu, 17 Jul 86 15:58:57 edt Message-Id: <8607171958.AA11197@icst-cmr.ARPA> Received: from localhost by ICS.UCI.EDU id a017055; 17 Jul 86 12:53 PDT To: Root Boy Jim <rbj@icst-cmr.arpa> Cc: kjs <@csnet-relay.arpa,@tufts.CSNET:kjs@tufts.CSNET>, unix-wizards@brl.arpa Cc: escott@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: Re: BSD vs ULTRIX vs SysV In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 15 Jul 86 17:15:50 edt. <8607152115.AA04743@icst-cmr.ARPA> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 86 12:52:00 -0800 From: Scott Menter <escott@ICS.UCI.EDU> I think all of this should have gone to info-unix, but a reply is a reply... OK, I'll send it there too. > I administer the UN*X side of the academic computing facility > here at Tufts University. I am currently running two VAX 780's > under 4.2BSD. The arrival of 4.3BSD has prompted my management > to take a look at alternates to the BSD UN*X. They keep You mean, you *have* 4.3BSD and you're thinking of going to something else? Or by "arrival" do you mean something like "announcement"? And if you *do* have 4.3, I'd like to know how you got it, unless you're a Beta site, in which case I already know. By the way, it seems to me that I saw a "copy" (photocopy) of the 4.3 distribution tape at Usenix. Well, we just called Berkeley and were told that 4.3 is still "not ready for distribution". Sigh. Well, supposedly it *is* ready for distribution, but we ain't got it neither. Do any other gummint sites have it either (besides the betas)? > I find support relatively unnecessary, especially in a University > environment. You should find lots of gurus in Beantown. Beantown!? Boston. As in Boston baked beans. Common nickname. Yes, I know that Tufts is in Sommerville. Been there oncest or twicest. > How would you begin to decide which OS a university should > run? If I receive enough interesting answers, I'll summarize > and post, as others will surely be faced with the same sorts > of questions from the same sorts of managers. I have an idea, Kevin. Why don't you get on 128 and drop by Brandeis and see what they think? They've been using UNIX since before I was an undergraduate there. I think you'll find that BSD is the way to go in a university environment, for the reasons rbj suggests. I found that each class had a couple of hackers, often roommates, who were willing to take on system support. Heck, we did it for $3.65 an hour at Brandeis! And that included cleaning the terminals and vacuuming the labs!! But you didn't do windows, right? :-) > Kevin Sullivan Sr. Systems Programmer > Tufts University Medford, MA 02155 > ARPA: kjs%tufts@CSNET-RELAY BITNET: kjs@tufts > > Any relation to the Pats owners? If so, a few other Brandeis alumni and myself would like to talk to you about ruining a little party we had last January !! The same fate befell the Cowboys. Sigh. > (Root Boy) Jim Cottrell <rbj@icst-cmr.arpa> > Was my SOY LOAF left out in th'RAIN? It tastes REAL GOOD!! +----------------------------------------------------------------+ E. Scott Menter Internet: escott@ics.uci.edu UCI Systems Support Group UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!escott It was a JOKE!! Get it?? I was receiving messages from DAVID LETTERMAN!! YOW!! [zippy quote courtesy of GNU Emacs "yow" in Jim's honor] +----------------------------------------------------------------+ (Root Boy) Jim Cottrell <rbj@icst-cmr.arpa> Hold the MAYO & pass the COSMIC AWARENESS...