mark (03/22/83)
#R:zinfandel:11700009:zinfandel:11700021:177600:106 zinfandel!mark Mar 19 23:23:00 1983 I'd be rather surprised if Thoreau did know of any fox suicides even if there were some. Mark Wittenberg
mark (03/22/83)
#R:zinfandel:11700009:zinfandel:11700023:000:25 zinfandel!mark Mar 20 13:22:00 1983 Touche' Mark Wittenberg
jack@hp-dcd.UUCP (06/05/83)
#R:hao:0:hp-dcd:6200001:37777777600:334 hp-dcd!jack Jun 3 10:31:00 1983 ".. it seems that a person who felt there was no purpose for their continued existence would hardly feel they had anything to say. What purpose would a note serve to them?" They could write a note explaining the pressures that caused them to kill themselves in the hope that others would read the note and try to change things.
judy@ism780.UUCP (04/20/84)
#R:hpfclk:-730065608:ism780:18100001:177600:1791 ism780!judy Apr 18 15:21:00 1984 Mike, Please be careful. You are falling into the trap of assuming everyone is like you. You cannot generalized depression by what makes you, an obviously intelligent and "sane" person, mildly depressed for a day. Clinical depression is a mental illness. It is fairly mild as mental illnesses go (consider schizophrenia). However, there are some very severe, fatal cases of it. Consider for a moment a child. At age one her father abandons her. Her mother goes crazy and tries to kill both the child and herself. The child is reared in a religous household in which all medical assistance is denied. In response to a broken arm she is told it is just her imagination. She is tortured and raped by an older male relative. Now, do you seriously think that if she felt better about her work and like more of a productive member of society she would feel all better. WRONG! This kind of depression has deep and serious roots. This person is in deep pain, internally bleeding in an emotional sense. And there is a time, perhaps triggered by an outside event, when the pain is too much. You would not call the cancer patient selfish for ending her life rather than live for two years in unbearable pain. How DARE you so cavalierly dismiss this womans pain by calling her wish selfish! Fortunately, there is professional help for people with such mental illnesses as cronic depression, manic depression, etc. And the prognosis is high. But the cost is also high. It requires feeling all that pain and anger and humiliation and then learning to live daily with the memories and the pain. Compasion is the answer to this problem. Quit blaming and start understanding. Imagine, for 30 seconds, what life would feel like as another human being. Love, don't judge. Judy Leedom
paul@uiucuxc.UUCP (11/29/84)
Men tend to use deadlier methods for suicide. With pills or wrist slashing
there's a chance that not enough was taken, someone will get your message,
cut wasn't deep enough, etc. Handguns or aiming the car at a bridge support
at 70 mph are less likely to fail.
Paul Pomes
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US Mail: Univ of Illinois, CSO, 1304 W Springfield Ave, Urbana, IL 61801jjm@faust.UUCP (05/29/85)
jad@hpcnoe.UUCP (03/05/86)
> /***** hpcnoe:net.suicide / mit-amt!gerber / 10:12 am Mar 1, 1986*/ > BJO-B, your reply sounds like an attention-getting ploy so everyone > can see what a callous jerk you are. > If you can't say something nice about someone's request for sympathy, > say nothing. If someone wants sympathy, and you don't want to give > it, then SHUT UP. Don't make them feel worse. Gosh, and I was just [fondly] remembering the days when net.suicide was hotter than net.flame. Guess it's gotten a bit serious these days (it is a serious subject, but one that's awful hard to deal with in a forum like this, seems to me), so perhaps I'd best take that advice myself and SHUT UP too ... CUL -- jad -- "The other day they waited, the sky was dark and faded, solemnly they stated, "He has to die, you know he has to die." All the children learnin', from books that they were burnin', every leaf was turnin'; to watch him die, you know he had to die."