iverson@cory.BERKELEY.EDU (Tim Iverson) (02/03/86)
[ go ahead, eat my line ... ] Recently there were articles posted concerning the availability of public domain PC JOVE source. I have the source to jove (from a friend of the author) and as far as I know, PC JOVE IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. The source contains explicit copyright notices and it does not give permission to copy for non-commercial purposes. Furthermore, I was asked not to give the source or the executable to anyone. If you see a PD PC JOVE, it is probably very old, or stolen. Attempts at contacting Jonathan are being made, but he is no longer in touch with civilization (i.e. the USENET, :-). - Tim Iverson. iverson@cory.BERKELEY.EDU iverson@cory.UUCP
davy@pur-ee.UUCP (Dave Curry) (02/05/86)
[I am copying this to net.emacs, since this is discussed there from time to time -- maybe rn will even let me do it...] Tim Iverson is quite correct in stating that JOVE is not public domain. The following copyright notice appears on all the current source files: /************************************************************************* * This program is copyright (C) 1984,1985,1986 by Jonathan Payne/Unison * * World Inc. It is provided to you without charge for use only on a * * licensed Unix system. You may copy JOVE provided that this notice * * is included with the copy. You may not sell copies of this program * * or versions modified for use on microcomputer systems. * *************************************************************************/ Jon checked this summer with the folks at Unison World, and they told him it was okay for him to continue to release JOVE to people on "real" machines (Vaxes, etc.) since that was not their intended market (micros) anyway. By the way, JOVE will appear as user-contributed software on the 4.3BSD tape. It has been extensively improved over the version most of you probably have, including interactive processes in windows, filename completion, lisp mode, a more complete set of EMACS-like commands, bug fixes, speed improvements, etc. In short, it's fantastic. Still fits on a PDP-11, even. --Dave Curry davy@ee.purdue.edu ihnp4!pur-ee!davy
oz@yetti.UUCP (Ozan Yigit) (02/05/86)
In article <11699@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> iverson@cory.UUCP (Tim Iverson) writes: > > Recently there were articles posted concerning the availability of >public domain PC JOVE source. I have the source to jove (from a friend of the >author) and as far as I know, PC JOVE IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. The source >contains explicit copyright notices and it does not give permission to copy >for non-commercial purposes. Furthermore, I was asked not to give the source >or the executable to anyone. If you see a PD PC JOVE, it is probably very >old, or stolen. > Neither old, nor stolen. The copyrighted JOVE is a recent thing, as recent as few months. All previous versions are non-copyrighted. If you want to go to the very earliest version, it was originally distributed by Lincoln-Sudbury highschool (where Jonathan was..) and that does not contain any copyrights either. This means that if you replace the reg. expression code and the temporary I/O code in JOVE, you can distribute it to the world. On the other hand, I am not sure if it is worth it. Perhaps one should wait and see u-emacs before doing anything with jove. Oz > Attempts at contacting Jonathan are being made, but he is no longer >in touch with civilization (i.e. the USENET, :-). > >- Tim Iverson. > iverson@cory.BERKELEY.EDU > iverson@cory.UUCP -- Usenet: [decvax|allegra|linus|ihnp4]!utzoo!yetti!oz Bitnet: oz@[yusol|yuyetti] In the beginning, there was Word all right, except it wasn't fixed number of bits.
mab@ttidcc.UUCP (Michael A. Bloom) (02/06/86)
In article <11699@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> iverson@cory.UUCP (Tim Iverson) writes: | |author) and as far as I know, PC JOVE IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. The source |contains explicit copyright notices and it does not give permission to copy |for non-commercial purposes. That is likely to be true for PC jove. I recently received a copy of the NEW version of jove, with interactive shell windows and a nicer, more extensive, user interface. Each file contains a copyright notice with text saying the jove for UNIX is free, and you may make copies for "licensed UNIX systems", but that under no conditions can copies be made for "micro- computers". I think this means he intends to market it for PC's. . contains a notice sayin
oz@yetti.UUCP (Ozan Yigit) (02/07/86)
In article <3704@pur-ee.UUCP> davy@pur-ee.UUCP (Dave Curry) writes: > >Tim Iverson is quite correct in stating that JOVE is not public domain. >The following copyright notice appears on all the current source files: > >/************************************************************************* > * This program is copyright (C) 1984,1985,1986 by Jonathan Payne/Unison * > * World Inc. It is provided to you without charge for use only on a * > * licensed Unix system. You may copy JOVE provided that this notice * > * is included with the copy. You may not sell copies of this program * > * or versions modified for use on microcomputer systems. * > *************************************************************************/ > Key phrase here is the *current* source files. The previous ones DID NOT contain such a notice, and various hacked-up versions of jove is based on the very original, that was sent around long before 1984. What is this ??? Regressive copyrighting ??? I am getting very tired of this nonsense. The latest version Jonathan has released, and the one coming with 4.3 is out of bounds, for sure. But anything before that is *not* covered. In fact, if u-emacs does not turn out to be a superior replacement for jove, I fully intend to hack an earlier version, replace the regexp and temp-I/O code (two portions of code that limits distribution of JOVE) and POST IT TO THE NET. For your info, Un*x or non-Un*x, rest of the World already GOT jove. You see, it was included in the DECUS 85 Spring symposium tapes !!! >Jon checked this summer with the folks at Unison World, and they told him >it was okay for him to continue to release JOVE to people on "real" >machines (Vaxes, etc.) since that was not their intended market (micros) >anyway. > Gee.. How nice of them ! Oz -- Usenet: [decvax|allegra|linus|ihnp4]!utzoo!yetti!oz Bitnet: oz@[yusol|yuyetti] In the beginning, there was Word all right, except it wasn't fixed number of bits.
movshon@acf8.UUCP (Tony Movshon) (02/07/86)
The new versions of JOVE may indeed be copyrighted, but the original
contains no copyright notices of any kind and I am treating it as
public domain. In fact, having recently spent some time working on
Ken Mitchum's version (including adapting it to the DEC Rainbow) I
resent the implication of the earlier net postings that something
that USED to be public domain can be withdrawn. For the information
of any who wish to flame about this, the version I use as a basis
is a combination of Ken Mitchum's hack of the 5/83 LSRHS version
and a version with some improvements made by Doug Kingston at BRL.
Also for the information of flamers, I intend to push my version
out through the usual public-access micro routes when it's all
polished up and ready to go.
It's nice that new versions of (non-PD) JOVE will have enhancements
and fixes. Old JOVE is still pretty good, though.
Tony Movshon
Psychology/NYU
arpa: xp!tony@nyu or movshon@acf8
uucp: {seismo|allegra|ihnp4}!cmcl2!xp!tonyron@brl-smoke.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (02/07/86)
> Recently there were articles posted concerning the availability of > public domain PC JOVE source. I have the source to jove (from a friend of the > author) and as far as I know, PC JOVE IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. The source > contains explicit copyright notices and it does not give permission to copy > for non-commercial purposes. Furthermore, I was asked not to give the source > or the executable to anyone. If you see a PD PC JOVE, it is probably very > old, or stolen. > > Attempts at contacting Jonathan are being made, but he is no longer > in touch with civilization (i.e. the USENET, :-). > Jove first appeared on a USENIX distribution tape. BRL has been with permission distributing the JOVE sources with our release of BSD UNIX. Mike Muuss assures me that Jonathon Payne has indicated that it is OK to give jove out to anyone. I was only concerned because I believe our distribution consists of pieces of UNIX source code as well as the JOVE code and hence we only distributed it to people with UNIX source licenses.
lbg@gitpyr.UUCP (02/08/86)
Isn't there an awful lot of discussion going on here? Too much for net.sources?
brahms@spp3.UUCP (Bradley S. Brahms) (02/10/86)
In article <137@ttidcc.UUCP> mab@ttidcb.UUCP (The Root-Vax ) writes: >Each file contains a copyright notice with >text saying the jove for UNIX is free, and you may make copies for "licensed >UNIX systems", but that under no conditions can copies be made for "micro- >computers". I have a question now. Which UNIX license is required and how can JOVE be obtained? Thanx. -- Brad Brahms usenet: {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!trwspp!brahms arpa: Brahms@usc-eclc
greg@unlv.UUCP (Greg Wohletz) (02/11/86)
In article <320@yetti.UUCP> oz@yetti.UUCP (Ozan Yigit) writes: >In article <3704@pur-ee.UUCP> davy@pur-ee.UUCP (Dave Curry) writes: >> >>Tim Iverson is quite correct in stating that JOVE is not public domain. >>The following copyright notice appears on all the current source files: >> >>/************************************************************************* >> * This program is copyright (C) 1984,1985,1986 by Jonathan Payne/Unison * >> * World Inc. It is provided to you without charge for use only on a * >> * licensed Unix system. You may copy JOVE provided that this notice * >> * is included with the copy. You may not sell copies of this program * >> * or versions modified for use on microcomputer systems. * >> *************************************************************************/ >> > Key phrase here is the *current* source files. The previous ones > DID NOT contain such a notice, and various hacked-up versions > of jove is based on the very original, that was sent around long > before 1984. What is this ??? Regressive copyrighting ??? I am > getting very tired of this nonsense. The latest version Jonathan > has released, and the one coming with 4.3 is out of bounds, for > sure. But anything before that is *not* covered. In fact, if > u-emacs does not turn out to be a superior replacement for > jove, I fully intend to hack an earlier version, replace the > regexp and temp-I/O code (two portions of code that limits > distribution of JOVE) and POST IT TO THE NET. For your info, > Un*x or non-Un*x, rest of the World already GOT jove. You see, > it was included in the DECUS 85 Spring symposium tapes !!! > >>Jon checked this summer with the folks at Unison World, and they told him >>it was okay for him to continue to release JOVE to people on "real" >>machines (Vaxes, etc.) since that was not their intended market (micros) >>anyway. >> > Gee.. How nice of them ! Get this discussion the hell out of net.sources! Followups will go to net.emacs ======================================================================== University of Nevada, Las Vegas --Greg Wohletz "Death to Kate Bush" greg%unlv@CSNet-Relay "Long live Stevie Ray Vaughan" seismo!unrvax!unlv!greg ========================================================================
davidsen@steinmetz.UUCP (Davidsen) (02/11/86)
In article <320@yetti.UUCP> oz@yetti.UUCP (Ozan Yigit) writes: >In article <3704@pur-ee.UUCP> davy@pur-ee.UUCP (Dave Curry) writes: >> >>Tim Iverson is quite correct in stating that JOVE is not public domain. >>The following copyright notice appears on all the current source files: >> >>/************************************************************************* >> * This program is copyright (C) 1984,1985,1986 by Jonathan Payne/Unison * >> * World Inc. It is provided to you without charge for use only on a * >> * licensed Unix system. You may copy JOVE provided that this notice * >> * is included with the copy. You may not sell copies of this program * >> * or versions modified for use on microcomputer systems. * >> *************************************************************************/ This notice contains two parts: 1) it is free for licensed UNIX systems. I can't see anyone claiming that this doesn't include the ATT7300. 2) you may not SELL (emphasis mine) a) copies of this program b) versions modified for use on a microcomputer. Item two does not seem to prohibit personal use of the program on a microcomputer. It obviously prohibits sale of such a version, and I doubt that anyone could miss the fact that giving the PC version away would reduce sales. -- -bill davidsen seismo!rochester!steinmetz!--\ / \ ihnp4! unirot ------------->---> crdos1!davidsen \ / chinet! ---------------------/ (davidsen@ge-crd.ARPA) "It seemed like a good idea at the time..."