dlo@drutx.UUCP (OlsonDL) (02/12/86)
[] >> Don't your remember the days of Bugs Bunny, The Roadrunner, >> Droopy, and The old Scooby-Doo? Now, THOSE were cartoons. >> >> Smiley. >I do have to add a few others, >though, especially MY favorite, "Tom & Jerry", circa mid 1950's. Also as >honorable mentions, "Yogi Bear", "Rocky and Bullwinkle", "Super Chicken", >"George of The Jungle" (we're talking OLD here!!!!). Does anybody remember the Max Fletcher (sp?) cartoons of Popeye. They were fun, and I still marvel at how meticulous the artwork was done. The details, even in the background, was so fine and sharp that you could see individual leaves in the trees, bricks in the buildings, and stones and ruts in the roads. The perspective gave a real sense of depth. As scenes are panned, images move as they would in real life. As I kid, I first saw them in the 50's, but I know they are older than that. Good stuff. David Olson ..!ihnp4!drutx!dlo "I'm Popeye the sailor man. (toot) I'm Popeye the sailor man. (toot) I'm strong to the finish, Cause I eats my spinach. I'm Popeye the sailor man. (toot toot)"
sherm@wucs.UUCP (Sherman Lee) (02/13/86)
[line-eater, do you still exist?] Ahhh, I remember the golden-age Popeye cartoons. I saw one as a short before a feature movie back in the days just before multiplex cinemas. It was based on Ali Baba, and in particular I remember there were at least three layers of cels moving at different speeds to truly enhance the 3-D effect. Just recently I noticed that Popeye was on TV, tuned in, and to my dismay/horror/shock I saw a King Features version of Popeye and became nauseated. A four year old kid could animate better than that -- at least kids could write plots better than that... This might have been stated already, but the same thing has happened to `Tom and Jerry'... To top it off, I asked some younger children what they thought of these cartoons and their response was that they're stupid, with `kiddie' animation... of course they like `Masters of the Universe'. What I don't understand is why companies keep producing such trash insisting that kids don't know the difference... of course if kids don't see the `classics', they *can't* know the difference. One tangential issue: is there more commercialism associated with children's programming than 5, 10, or 20 years ago?
oz@rlgvax.UUCP (THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ) (02/14/86)
> > Does anybody remember the Max Fletcher (sp?) cartoons of Popeye. They > were fun, and I still marvel at how meticulous the artwork was done. > The details, even in the background, was so fine and sharp that you could > see individual leaves in the trees, bricks in the buildings, and stones > and ruts in the roads. The perspective gave a real sense of depth. As > scenes are panned, images move as they would in real life. As I kid, I > first saw them in the 50's, but I know they are older than that. Good > stuff. > > David Olson > ..!ihnp4!drutx!dlo The Max Fleicher studies were operating in the 1930's (at least that is when their best work came out). An EXCELLENT example of the great animation and humor can be found in the movie "Gullivers Travels." No, the movie isn't faithful to the book, but it is quite enjoyable. It is also one of the earliest examples of Roto-scoping a technique that was used to excess in "THE LORD OF THE RINGS." The Fleicher studios were also responsible for the BETTY BOOP cartoons. If you ever have the opportunity of watching the "St James Infirmry" cartoon, do it! "You've heard of fools paradise, well ___________(fill in the blank) has a duplex there." G. Kaufman OZ seismo!rlgvax!oz
moriarty@fluke.UUCP (Jeff Meyer) (02/17/86)
May I also recommend Max Fleicher's SUPERMAN cartoons; along with the POPEYE
ones he did, this is some of the best animation I've ever seen.
Robin Williams has said that if you listen *very* carefully and turn the
volume up real loud, Popeye's mutterings in the Fleicher cartoons is pretty
salty....
"Hales of derisive laughter, Bruce!"
Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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<*> DISCLAIMER: Do what you want with me, but leave my employers alone! <*>dave@cylixd.UUCP (Dave Kirby) (02/19/86)
In article <925@rlgvax.UUCP> oz@rlgvax.UUCP writes: >...The Fleicher studios were also responsible for the BETTY BOOP >cartoons... So THAT'S why Betty Boop sounds so much like Olive Oyl!
jablow@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Eric Robert Jablow) (02/20/86)
My favorite cartoons from the various decades of this century are: 30's Any pre-Hays Office Betty Boop cartoon. When the Hays Office was formed in 1933, Betty's neck line went way up. The cartoons became less risque and less interesting. 40's SWING SHIFT CINDERELLA (MGM). During WW II, MGM did a series of cartoons with the Wolf and Red. These must be the sexiest cartoons ever made for general consumption. Somebody even stole the cels of Red from the studio once. If you ever find a collection of them, snap it up fast. See the story in Leonard Maltin's book, OF MICE AND MAGIC. 50's WHAT'S OPERA, DOC (WB). No contest. All of Wagner in 6 minutes. Did you know that whenever the movie APOCALYPSE NOW is shown at Princeton University (or at least when I was there), when the famous helicopter attack scene comes on (and the Ride Of The Valkeries is played), the audience breaks into a chant of "KILL THE WABBIT, KILL THE WABBIT, KILL THE WABBIT!"? 60's Tie between YELLOW SUBMARINE and A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS. N.B. I'm Jewish. I'm going to stay that way. No prosletyzing, please. 70's EVOLUTION (National Film Board of Canada, 1981). I can not imagine of a better educational film than this. See it at all costs. It is a hilarious film about evolution, natural selection, and mutation. It is an amazing work of art. Just to see the family of living bicycles, Papa & Momma & Son & Daughter & Mutant Baby (with square wheels!) is worth the price of admission. 80's None yet. I saw EVOLUTION on a PBS series on about ten years ago, The INTERNATIONAL ANIMATION FESTIVAL. Jean Marsh was the host, in the Alistair Cooke seat. Evidently, she was taking a breather from Upstairs, Downstairs. It did what it claimed to do, to present cartoons from all over the world. If your station ever repeats it, tape it or watch it. Incidentally, I would like to suggest a topic of discussion; what shows would you like to see back on TV (commercial or public)? I'd like to see PBS put on the two LeCarre series again. I'm not a snob; I'd even like to see ROCK FOLLIES again!? (Member of Rula Lenska fan club.) Respectfully, Eric Robert Jablow MSRI ucbvax!brahms!jablow I may be a screwy little wabbit, but at least I'm not going to Alcatraz! --E. Fudd--
joe@oucs.UUCP (Joseph Judge) (02/20/86)
> > In article <925@rlgvax.UUCP> oz@rlgvax.UUCP writes: > >...The Fleicher studios were also responsible for the BETTY BOOP > >cartoons... > > So THAT'S why Betty Boop sounds so much like Olive Oyl! or vice-versa . -- Joseph Judge 414 Morton Hall Ohio University Athens, Ohio 45701 {amc1,bgsuvax,cbdkc1,cbosgd,cuuxb,osu-eddie}!oucs!joe
dettelis@canisius.UUCP (Carl Dettelis) (02/22/86)
Although it isn't very old, I thougth Star Blazers was a very good animated sf cartoon. Unfortunately, it's success is at least in part responsible for the likes of masters of the universe, transformers and the like. The only sf cartoon which I even remotely enjoy now is Robotech, which is kind of a sci fi soap opera.
mwtilden@watmath.UUCP (M.W. Tilden, Hardware) (02/27/86)
In article <545@drutx.UUCP> dlo@drutx.UUCP (OlsonDL) writes: >Does anybody remember the Max Fletcher (sp?) cartoons of Popeye. They >were fun, and I still marvel at how meticulous the artwork was done. >The details, even in the background, was so fine and sharp that you could >see individual leaves in the trees, bricks in the buildings, and stones >and ruts in the roads. The perspective gave a real sense of depth. As >scenes are panned, images move as they would in real life. As I kid, I >first saw them in the 50's, but I know they are older than that. Good >stuff. > >David Olson The Max Fletcher cartoons had 24 (Count 'em! 24!) frame a second animation and some of the best mumbled dialogue (imprompitue?) ever recorded. Popeye was ALWAYS talking and some of the things he said were just priceless. For example... 'I dunno what this has to do with the nature of cartesian dualism but I shure wishes I wuz outta here...' Classic! Fantastic! But where can you get ahold of it!? I have *one* episode on tape from a old, old Saturday Nite at the Movies show with Elwy Yost. Anybody know of another source or group? Mark ---------------- "You can't prove you *really* exist so my opinions don't matter anyway..." ----------------
jgd@uwmcsd1.UUCP (John G Dobnick) (03/02/86)
Hey folks... is it Max Fletcher or Max Fleischer? The latter, methinks! But then, I haven't seen any of these on TV (or anywhere else for that matter) in quite some time, so my memory may be somewhat befogged. :-) -- John G Dobnick Computing Services Division @ University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee UUCP: ...ihnp4!uwmcsd1!jgd INTERNET: uwmacc!uwmcsd1!jgd@rsch.wisc.edu -- -- John G Dobnick Computing Services Division @ University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee UUCP: ...ihnp4!uwmcsd1!jgd INTERNET: uwmacc!uwmcsd1!jgd@rsch.wisc.edu
urban@spp2.UUCP (Mike Urban) (03/03/86)
In article <1412@watmath.UUCP> mwtilden@watmath.UUCP (M.W. Tilden, Hardware) writes: >In article <545@drutx.UUCP> dlo@drutx.UUCP (OlsonDL) writes: >>Does anybody remember the Max Fletcher (sp?) cartoons of Popeye. They >>were fun, and I still marvel at how meticulous the artwork was done. >>The details, even in the background, was so fine and sharp that you could >>see individual leaves in the trees, bricks in the buildings, and stones >>and ruts in the roads. The perspective gave a real sense of depth. As >>scenes are panned, images move as they would in real life. As I kid, I >>first saw them in the 50's, but I know they are older than that. Good >>stuff. >> >>David Olson > >The Max Fletcher cartoons had 24 (Count 'em! 24!) frame a second animation >and some of the best mumbled dialogue (imprompitue?) ever recorded. Popeye >was ALWAYS talking and some of the things he said were just priceless. > That's "Fleischer", guys. The background art sometimes *was* done with models (hence the parallax), and sometime was done with a multi-plane camera. Unlike modern cartoons, the animation was put on film first, and the dialogue added later in the studio as the voice actors watched. They allowed Jack Mercer (voice of Popeye, who died last year) to ad lib whenever he liked, which is why Popeye's mouth doesn't move during the strange mumbles. Scene in a desert: "If we had some bread, we could make a sandwich. If we had a witch." -- Mike Urban ...!trwrb!trwspp!spp2!urban "You're in a maze of twisty UUCP connections, all alike"