[net.audio] 60 hz circuit

chip (11/27/82)

     A friend of mine just bought yet-another-trinket for his Lynn Sondek
   turntable. It's a little circuit card that connects between the
   motor and the 120 volts AC (normally the motor is connected directly to
   the AC). The circuit is supposed to re-synthesize the 60hz AC
   using a crystal reference to obtain super-accurate speed control.
   I was always under the impression that the 60hz coming out of the
   wall was pretty-damn-accurate. Am I wrong about this? Does the power
   company play tricks with the 60hz? Could there be some other benefit
   in having this ($130) circuit that I'm not aware of? I have a Lynn
   Sondek copy (Ariston RD11s) and I'd consider getting one of these circuits
   if it's really worth it. Any thoughts/info?

				 Chip Hoover
				 ...!mcnc!chip

wm (11/27/82)

The 60Hz that comes out of the wall is only accurate over
a long time interval, i.e. so your clock will stay fairly
accurate over long periods of time.  Short term fluctuations
in frequency accuracy can be quite large, although they rarely
are.  Most of the time the frequency error out of the wall
will drift slowly one way until it is inaccurate enough (in
the long term, again) and the control operator or computer
or whatever will nudge the control a little the other way
for a while to make up for it.  Personally I can't see any
reason for a device to resynthesize 60Hz.  If you are that
worried, get a turntable with a servo drive, or any other
form of drive rather than a synchonous motor.

		Wm Leler - UNC Chapel Hill

ark (11/27/82)

(1) If you have a device that re-synthesizes 60 Hz, you can change
the frequency a little to get deliberate speed variations. (2) I think
that while power companies control long-term frequency variations
very tightly, there can be some short-term drift.  I doubt this would
be enough to bother, but you never know.   This only works, of course,
if you have a turntable with a synchronous motor.  

rjk (11/27/82)

Andy is right (rabbit!ark) - the power company does maintain long-term
frequency stability, so your clocks won't be off an hour per year. The
frequency standard is at Ohio Power and Light in the Akron/Canton area.
While doing EE lab projects in the power area, I found some frequency
variations that could produce turntable wow, but decent tables have
platters with enough mass to carry them through those times.
							Randy King

spence (11/29/82)

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harpo!spence    Nov 29 10:36:00 1982

I've designed clocks that count down the electric company's 60hz
to derive the time.  It is very accurate over the course of a day, however
this is just the average.  The EC does vary the frequency over the course of the
day usually on the order of 1 hz.  So it may vary from ~59 to ~61 hz.
You probably have to have a VERY good ear to notice the difference, but
there IS a difference.
Unless the rest of your system is top oof the line, top notch, etc.,
it probably is not worth your while.


Steve Spencer
harpo!spence