[net.audio] CD in cars and other MYTHS !

softech@micomz.UUCP (06/08/83)

	I was reading all the debate about CD players in cars, and it occured
to me that we all forgot one VERY important thing: Playing a CD in a moving
vehicle would be about as difficult as playing a standard record (with stylus
and all). The tracking system in CD players is so precise and so fragile that
it would be impossible to design one small enough and strong enough to resist
the G-forces involved without losing the necessary precision. Remember that
the little laser beam must be kept ON TRACK and IN FOCUS at all times. Now we
are talking about tracks that are only 1/20 th of a normal record groove in
width, and there is no mechanical contact to do the tracking with! Its all
done optically by a complex servo mechanism that analyses the shape of the
laser on the record surface. Minute fluctuations due to hole centering errors
or warpage of the surface are corrected by ultra-fast voice-coils that hold
the focusing apparatus (remember the little devil SPINS!). A small bump on
the road would easily cause several seconds of "errors", if not complete
jumping of tracks.

	So, for all of you waiting to trade-in your old Delco...

	(By the way, the same goes for the Walkies fans, unless you go real
	easy on your roller skates...)

Richard "Ears" Blouin.
!philabs!micomvax!micomz!softech

ksbszabo@wateng.UUCP (Kevin S. B. Szabo) (06/10/83)

I find it somewhat incomprehensible to still see people say something
is impossible, especially someone who is obviously a little more technically
oriented than the general public. I believe the comment that CD's are
impossible due to the stylus tracking problem misses on one main point.
It is precisely due to the fact that no contact with the playing surface
is required that tracking is simplified. The mass of the "stylus" is no
longer a factor when playing since the stylus is probably anchored with
some form of leadscrew, instead of floating as is necessary with the
mechanical pickup. Fine positioning of the actual pickup may still be
done by magnetic means, the servo amplifiers would of course have to
be accurate enough to compensate for the forces exerted on the small pickup.
I do not consider the design of these amplifiers to be impossible either.

Problems of wow and flutter can also be dealt with in the car environment.
Since the information off the disk is already in a digital format it is
not a difficult task to perform a delay line type operation on the data.
This circuit can take take at a certain rate (with jitter, also known
as wow and flutter) and output a stream of data at a constant rate. Remember
that the digital information is sampled, and hence has a recoverable clock
that allows regeneration of timing information. Standard records of course
have no such information present.

Note that challenging problems are met with new and interesting solutions.
The problem of achieving the disk - head distances seen in present disk
drives would be difficult to surmount without flying heads. I think this
problem is of similar difficulty. Also note that I never said it would 
be  a) cheap  or  b) easy.

						Zazzy

caf@cdi.UUCP (06/10/83)

The key phrase is ultra-fast servo system.  I suspect that the
acceleration encountered in these systems could easily hit a G
or two.  In that case, only a car wreck or sharp bottoming of the
suspension would cause problems.
-- 

	Chuck Forsberg, Chief Engr, Computer Development Inc.
	6700 S. W. 105th, Beaverton OR 97005   (503) 646-1599
	cdi!caf

darrelj@sdcrdcf.UUCP (06/15/83)

Playing CD in a car is likened to playing a phonograph in a car in a recent
comment here.  It has been done.  I have dim (~20 years ago) memories of
record players in the dashboard.  I haven't any recollection of having heard
one, but presumably they (generally) tracked by a combination of high
tracking force and spring isolation.  I'm pretty sure it only played disks in
the 8" format.  This predates any reasonable tape alternatives (the 8-track
was invented by Mr. Lear (also inventor of a small jet) specifically as a
better mousetrap for car audio.

jeff@tesla.UUCP (06/17/83)

Chrysler did offer a record player for cars about 20 years ago.  I wonder
if they sold any.  
Jeff

/a3/c5215a/weheh/user@mhuxa.UUCP (06/18/83)

I once rode in a taxi in St. Thomas, Virgin Is. that had an
in-dash record player.  As I recall, it played 45's.

					R. Gordon
					mhuxa!weheh