[net.audio] FM tuner info wanted

rmd@hpcnoa.UUCP (01/29/84)

I want  to buy a new FM  tuner.  I  listen  to FM a lot,  and  the  poor
quality of the sound is really  starting  to get to me.  I realize  that
much of the problem is with the broadcasters,  but I want to do the best
I can with what is now  available.  I think the tuner in my  receiver is
not doing as good a job as it could.

Here is my  situation:  I live about 60 miles  north of Denver.  Most of
the time I listen to FM stations broadcasting from mountains near Denver
and Boulder.  There are also a few stations  within 20 miles.  I have an
attic  antenna  pointed south and all of these signals come in at a high
signal level and with a good signal to noise ratio.  Additionally, there
are a few marginal stations in Cheyenne Wyoming and in Denver which come
in with a noticeable amount of noise.  There are a number of stations in
Colorado  Springs and in Wyoming which I would like to listen to but the
noise level is just too high.  I switch stations often, choosing between
8 or 10 Denver and local stations.

Here are some specific complaints about my present receiver:
  -distortion of high frequencies (e.g. consonant sounds in voices) even
   on strong signals
  -not enough preset stations (I have 6).  I would like to have at least 10
  -poor high frequency response
  -residual 'birdie' noise (squeaks and whistles you sometimes hear while
   tuning AM radios) on FM stations which would otherwise be very quiet.
  -poor ADJACENT channel rejection when I'm trying to receive a weak 
   signal 200 Khz from a stong station
  -Extraneous signals on empty frequencies which contain music from
   2 local stations simultaneously
  -I would love to have a remote control to switch stations

I would  like to hold the cost of a new  tuner to $300 to $600.  I would
like to hear opinions on the various  tuners now available  that my come
close to meeting my needs.

Rick Dow
inhp4!hpfcla!rmd

gregs@uo-vax1.UUCP (02/09/84)

Although I personally don't have one, most people seem to agree that 
Carver's TX-11 tuner is the one to buy these days.  The big plus
is the multipath rejection circuitry...check it out at your local
dealer.  It sounds like it would be perfectly suited to your listening
area.  If anyone else has any personal favorites, I'd like to hear
about them, because I should be buying a tuner one of these days...


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					Greg Stewart
					University of Oregon
					hplabs!hp-pcd!uoregon!uo-vax1!gregs

rmd@hpcnoa.UUCP (02/10/84)

I  finally  settled  the issue of which FM tuner to buy by going out and
buying four FM tuners (with the  understanding  that I could return them
within a week or so for any  reason).  I  brought  them all home and did
direct A/B  comparisons of two tuners at a time -- using a roof antenna,
a roof preamp/splitter, and dual 75 ohm coax as the signal sources.

I tested the following tuners:

   -NAD 4150 with 'Schotz' detector and 1.2 microvolt claimed usable
    sensitivity.
   -Sony ST-S555 ES.  This has similar specification to the Pioneer F90
    tuner and uses somewhat similar concepts in its design.  (I couldn't 
    find an F90).  The Sony also has the most 'high-tech' user interface.
   -Carver TX11.  This has some typically bizarre Carver circuitry and
    specs a 50db quieting sensitivity of 6 microvolts into 300 ohms.
   -Denon TU-720.  This is an analog tuner with a slide-rule dial.  I got
    it from the local 'high end' outlet (who naturally claimed that 
    analog tuners sounded better than digitally synthesized tuners)
   -JVC RS77 receiver.  This is my original receiver.

The  Carver  and the Sony blew away  everyone  else.  For my needs,  the
Carver was somewhat better than the Sony, but that might not be true for
everyone.  I took me 5 hours to decide  between the Carver and the Sony,
and I changed my mind twice in the process.  The Carver has  advantages,
but they are fairly subtle.

Here are comparisons of the five tuners with respect to  characteristics
I consider important:

Distortion: (on strong stations)
   1)  Carver
   gap
   2)  Sony
   big gap
   3)  NAD
   big gap
   4)  Denon
   5)  JVC

Distortion: (on weak stations)
   1)  Sony
   2)  Carver
   big gap
   3)  NAD
   4)  Denon
   5)  JVC

Selectivity:
   1) Carver
   gap
   2) Sony
   big gap
   3) NAD, Denon, JVC (tie)

Frequency Response:
   1) Carver, Sony, NAD, Denon (tie)
   big gap
   5) JVC

Sensitivity:
   1) Carver
   gap
   2) Sony
   big gap
   3) NAD 
   4) Denon, JVC (tie)

Presets:
   1) Carver (16)
   2) Sony (8)
   3) JVC (6)
   4) NAD (5)
   5) Denon (0)

The thing that  finally  convinced me to go with the Carver was the fact
that it could reduce the  distortion on the strong  stations I listen to
most  frequently.  Also, it could receive the largest number of stations
(and they were listenable).