[net.audio] difference between DC & AC

zz1fk@sdccsu3.UUCP (03/08/84)

-this line is for line eaters

	A friend and I were looking over the new Pioneer catalog, and
noticed that they have a line of "non-switching amps". We assumed that
this meant a DC amp, but we weren't sure. In fact, we weren't even sure
what the advantage of a DC to an AC amp was. We had some discussion, but
nothing conclusive turned up. Would somebody out there please enlighten
us? (Especially about the DC-AC question). 
		Thanx in advance
				fritzz the zebra :-)

parnass@ihuxf.UUCP (Bob Parnass, AJ9S) (03/09/84)

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       A recent	submission asked about the meaning of "DC  amplifi-
       ers" as this term relates to the	audio world:

	    A friend and  I  were  looking  over  the  new  Pioneer
	    catalog,  and  noticed  that  they have a line of "non-
	    switching amps". We	assumed	that this meant	a  DC  amp,
	    but	we weren't sure. In fact, we weren't even sure what
	    the	advantage of a DC to an	AC amp was.


       Isn't this term used to mean an amplifier which uses  direct
       interstage   coupling   rather	than  using  capacitors	 or
       transformers?

       The point of avoiding the use of	capacitors and transformers
       is  that	 they  tend  to	 act as	filters, limiting frequency
       response.

       Audio gurus, is this correct?


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pmr@drufl.UUCP (03/09/84)

AC coupling not only limits the frequency response at the low end but
also is necessary in some types of amplifier designs to maintain the
correct voltage levels (bias) for the next gain stage.

The types of capacitors used also effect the quality of the signal
passed to the next gain stage.  Plastic dielectric capacitors have
less reverse leakage and more linear impedances at higher frequencies
than the commonly used non-polar electrolytic capacitor.  Using plastic
dielectric capacitors like polystyrene or metalized polypropylene,
although debated by some as to their audibility, helps improve the
overall sound.

		Yours for higher fidelity,
		Phil Rastocny
		AT&T-ISL
		..!drufl!pmr

gregt@tektronix.UUCP (Greg Thomas) (03/11/84)

I believe that you're right; "DC" refers to "direct-coupled,"
not "direct current." 
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

emrath@uiuccsb.UUCP (03/13/84)

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uiuccsb!emrath    Mar 12 13:00:00 1984

I haven't seen the catalog, but I would assume that "non-switching amp"
has nothing to do with whether the amp is AC or DC coupled. I expect
it means either:  1) the power supply is non-switching; or 2) the amp itself
is biased heavily into the class A-B region or is fully class A.
In case 1, the output of the power supply is not controlled by the audio
signal (such as in Carver's "magnetic field" amps), nor does it use a
"switching" regulator. It's just a standard old analog or unregulated supply.
In case 2, the larger bias on the output transistors means that they stay in
a more linear region of operation.  I doubt that the amp is class A or they
would have said so.  Without more facts.....

	Perry Emrath, UofIL
	...{decvax|inuxc}!pur-ee!uiucdcs!emrath

rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (03/13/84)

You are not wrong, but it could be either. Since a Direct Coupled amplifier
has response to DC potentials, it is also a Direct Current Amplifier. It
really doesn't make any difference which you use in the audio context.
Incidently, in my opinion it's all hype. Given equal quality of design, an
"AC" amp will be superior to a "DC" amp for audio purposes. More stable
and less worry about blown woofers from dropped cartridges and the like.
The search for advertising hype must go on, however.
Dick Grantges hound!rtfg

frankj@dartvax.UUCP (Frank Jaffe) (04/07/84)

Bob Parnass is partially correct.  DC used to stand exclusively for
DIRECT COUPLED.  However, in this crazy world we live in now, some 
manufacturers are claiming their amps to be DC even though they have
capacitors in line with the output terminals.  I can only assume that
they must mean Direct Current.