rayjay@ihuxr.UUCP (john wray) (07/05/84)
(Note! The following is somewhat of a flame. It's strictly my personal
opinion, so , easy on those wild-assed rebuttals)
I'm so tired of hearing people talk about Hafler gear as if it was
straight from God Almighty, himself. This is where Hafler ranks (at
least in my book).
Level 1) K-Mart6 "blu-light special" et al.
Level 2) Pioneer, Sansui, Radio Snack
Level #3) HAFLER, Nad, Adcom, SAE
Level 4) Precision Fidelity, Amber, PS Audio, Apt
Level 5) Bryston, Acoustat, Berning, Conrad-Johnson
Level 6) Mark Levinson, Audio Research
Hafler *IS* a cut above your average Sansui, but please be aware that it
IS NOT the ultimate in high fidelity. If you want to have something
a little better than your next door neighbor's, the Hafler is just fine.
If you are really seeking true fidelity, don't stop there!(level 3 )
For those of you who must justify your expenditures to a source higher than
your own conscience, namely your wives/husbands, I suggest using my method.
I have a subscrption to the AudioMart. It's a national publication of used
high-end audio gear. Anything and everything is in there at affordable
prices. Try it, you'll like it.
Rayjay -abh@ccivax.UUCP (Andrew X. Hudson) (07/09/84)
Its very nice to spout opinions as if you were a foucet of some kind. But unless you decide to back up your OPINIONS with something of plausible (to us, the suffering readers) content the point is mute Andrew Hudson -- Christine, strawberry girl, Christine, banana split lady..... - Siouxsie & the Banshees ...[rlgvax | decvax | ucbvax!allegra]!rochester!ritcv!ccivax!abh
rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (07/16/84)
>I'm so tired of hearing people talk about Hafler gear as if it was >straight from God Almighty, himself. Hold on a minute! Any damn fool can see that Hafler equipment is not high-end equipment and makes no pretense of being so. It is obvious to the most casual observer that it does not cost anywhere near enough to please the discriminating audiophile. Hafler even stoops so low as to offer their equipment in "kits", whereas true high-end equipment must be assembled with the utmost of care. Do you really think that you can handle a screwdriver as well as a highly trained electronics assembly worker? (Compressed ranking from referenced article...) >Level 1) K-Mart6 "blu-light special" et al. >Level 2) Pioneer, Sansui, Radio Snack >Level #3) HAFLER, Nad, Adcom, SAE >Level 4) Precision Fidelity, Amber, PS Audio, Apt >Level 5) Bryston, Acoustat, Berning, Conrad-Johnson >Level 6) Mark Levinson, Audio Research Let's look at some examples of what we're comparing. Take an amp in the neighborhood of 100w/ch for the sake of illustration: Level 3 - Hafler DH-200 $330 kit, $430 assembled vs, say Level 5 - Bryston 3B $925; C-J MV75a $1345 or, perhaps Level 6 - Mark Levinson ML-9 $2870; Audio Research D-120 $2195 >Hafler *IS* a cut above your average Sansui, but please be aware that it >IS NOT the ultimate in high fidelity. I can neither refute this nor confirm it. Perhaps if we knew a little more, like: - what kind of component we're comparing - what models we're considering from the various sources - what the alleged differences in fidelity are then we might be able to get on with the discussion. What IS the ultimate in high fidelity? Frankly, if I were going to choose an ultimate high-end preamp and amp, I'd probably look to Threshold. I have absolutely no reason to believe that it sounds one iota better than something that costs 0.1 as much, but it's pretty looking and rugged enough to meet a mil spec. (On the other hand, I don't look at my electronics boxes very much, so they don't have to be pretty. And they don't get bounced around, soaked, overheated, or anything, so they don't need bulletproof ruggedness. So I buy cheapo level-3 stuff and spend my money on records. That will change someday - eventually I'll spend the money on CD's:-) As it is, all we've got is a gratuitous shot at Hafler. I guess that's OK, but why Hafler? Why not NAD or Nikko or some of the other manufacturers who market mid-priced good equipment? If the point is that there's been a lot of discussion of Hafler equipment in this group (which there has) then let's focus on Hafler a bit and see what we find out. The amount of discussion is probably related to the fact that Hafler is pretty good equipment for the money. -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.