[net.audio] question about whispering ghosts

glassner@unc.UUCP (Andrew S. Glassner) (12/06/84)

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When I listen to a record, I can often hear the music that
begins a track very faintly a second or two before the
track actually begins.  My understanding was that the wall
between grooves was thick enough so that the stylus doesn't
pick up the music embedded in the plastic on the other side
of the wall.  Is this true?  In either case, where are the
"ghosts" coming from?

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jlg@lanl.ARPA (12/14/84)

> < ack ~nack >
> 
> When I listen to a record, I can often hear the music that
> begins a track very faintly a second or two before the
> track actually begins.  My understanding was that the wall
> between grooves was thick enough so that the stylus doesn't
> pick up the music embedded in the plastic on the other side
> of the wall.  Is this true?  In either case, where are the
> "ghosts" coming from?

This is an unmistakable sign that the recording was tape mastered.  What
you are hearing is caused by the tape being magnetized by the data that
is on adjacent layers as the tape is wound on the spool.  A good recording
engineer will use thicker tape and will not let the recording level exceed
the threshold of this bleed-through effect.  However, there are a number
of recordings with this problem on the market.

mikey@trsvax.UUCP (12/18/84)

If the sound ghost comes exactly 1 revolution of the record early,
it's very unlikely it's the tape.  It's probably the grove
distortion.  If it is not exactly 1 revolution early, then it 
came from somewhere in the mastering process, probably tape printthru.

mikey at trsvax

jlg@lanl.ARPA (12/22/84)

> 
> 
> If the sound ghost comes exactly 1 revolution of the record early,
> it's very unlikely it's the tape.  It's probably the grove
> distortion.  If it is not exactly 1 revolution early, then it 
> came from somewhere in the mastering process, probably tape printthru.
> 
> mikey at trsvax

Don't sit close looking at your records, time them.  If the ghost is 1.8
seconds (1 min/33 rpm) before the correlated signal, then the record
pressing is at fault.  If it isn't, then tape mastering is probably the
culprit.  Most cases I've seen are caused by tape mastering (in fact, they
usually are re-releases of older performances which have probably been
archived on tape for several years - the tape blead-thru problem gets worse
with age).

Of course, depending upon the diameter of the tape reel, tape ghosts could
also be delayed exactly 1.8 seconds.  This is unlikely though.
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