rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (09/30/85)
[] Oh, for goodness sakes, Steve. Have you never copied a record onto a cassette? Are you therebye a pirate? Millions of people don't think that they are when they do so for their own use and, most often, own the record they are copying. This probably more than any other single thing, built the cassette industry. It might also do the same for a digital cassette industry. I admit the necessity of doing so is much attenuated, but then, it never was <really> necessary with vinyl. I think a more valid concern is the added expense in going from tape to CD. I don't know. Given the choice would I go for a digital cassette or the presently available VCR digital recording. Neither is splice- editable. The VCR is somewhat larger and more ungainly, but it can record for hours and hours without interruption. Both are presumably copyable. Is the industry cooking up another 8mm disaster? Is 8mm a disaster? Was the Edsel? -- "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg
schley@mmm.UUCP (Steve Schley) (09/30/85)
In article <1380@hound.UUCP> rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) writes: >Oh, for goodness sakes, Steve. Have you never copied a record onto >a cassette? Are you therebye a pirate? Millions of people don't >think that they are when they do so for their own use and, most >often, own the record they are copying. I have recorded my own records for my use (in the car). I have also practiced "piracy", but I don't much these days. I am not a paragon of virtue; likewise, the fact that "millions of people" do something makes it alright. I raised the issue merely to get people to think about an activity that has caused much tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth in the computer software industry. An audio bit-copier -- think of it! >I think a more valid concern is the added expense in going from tape to >CD. I don't know. Given the choice would I go for a digital cassette >or the presently available VCR digital recording. Neither is splice- >editable. The VCR is somewhat larger and more ungainly, but it can >record for hours and hours without interruption. Both are presumably >copyable. Is the industry cooking up another 8mm disaster? Is 8mm >a disaster? Was the Edsel? The 8mm digital standard calls for 8-bit (companded) conversions and a sample rate of 32 kHz. This is not hi-fi. They are going in the wrong direction! >-- > >"It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg -- Steve Schley ihnp4!mmm!schley
keithe@tekgvs.UUCP (Keith Ericson) (10/02/85)
In article <1380@hound.UUCP> rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) writes: >[] >Have you ever copied a record onto >a cassette? Are you thereby a pirate? Millions of people don't >think that they are when they do so for their own use and, most >often, own the record they are copying. > This brings up a point that I've been meaning to bring up for quite a while now. Here's the (perhaps hypothetical) situation: I own my stereo system which includes a high-quality tape recorder (say a Beta HiFi) but does *not* (yet) include a compact digital disk player. My friend, however, does own both a CD and a Beta HiFi. Now I know it is outright illegal to just make copies of his CDs for me to just take home and listen to. *BUT* - and here's the heart of the question - what if I already own an LP version (purchased legally and owned legitimately) of the CD and now want to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? I think we all agree that it is legal for me to make a tape copy of my LP; am I restricted from making a copy of the same material from my friend's CD just because I don't own the copy in that specific medium? Does purchase of the LP give me the right to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? Let the opinions begin... keith -- Keith Ericson at TekLabs (resident factious factotum) Tektronix, PO 500, MS 58-383 Beaverton OR 97077 (503)627-6042 uucp: [ucbvax|decvax|ihnp4|(and_many_others)]!tektronix!tekgvs!keithe CSnet: keithe@tek ARPAnet: keithe.tek@rand-relay
ark@alice.UucP (Andrew Koenig) (10/03/85)
> This brings up a point that I've been meaning to bring up for quite a > while now. Here's the (perhaps hypothetical) situation: I own my stereo > system which includes a high-quality tape recorder (say a Beta HiFi) but > does *not* (yet) include a compact digital disk player. My friend, > however, does own both a CD and a Beta HiFi. Now I know it is outright > illegal to just make copies of his CDs for me to just take home and > listen to. *BUT* - and here's the heart of the question - what if I > already own an LP version (purchased legally and owned legitimately) of > the CD and now want to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? I think we all > agree that it is legal for me to make a tape copy of my LP; am I > restricted from making a copy of the same material from my friend's CD > just because I don't own the copy in that specific medium? Does purchase > of the LP give me the right to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? We do NOT all agree that it is legal for you to make a tape copy of your LP. My understanding is that that specific issue has not yet been tested in the courts, and its legal status is therefor uncertain. I'm sure some lawyer out there will correct me.
david@ukma.UUCP (David Herron, NPR Lover) (10/03/85)
In article <1234@tekgvs.UUCP> keithe@tekgvs.UUCP (Keith Ericson) writes: > I think we all >agree that it is legal for me to make a tape copy of my LP; am I >restricted from making a copy of the same material from my friend's CD >just because I don't own the copy in that specific medium? Does purchase >of the LP give me the right to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? > >Let the opinions begin... Alright. Buying the LP gives you liscense to listen to that piece of sound. Also, that tape recorder decision gives you the right to tape that sound for yourself (not for others). The CD has the same sound (Same mastering usually?) or sometimes better sound quality of the same stuff. You already have liscense to record that sound so therefore you have the right to record your friends CD since it's the same sound. In fact, an argument could be made that since you already have liscense for that sound then if you buy a CD of the same thing then all you should be paying for is media! Let the opinions continue ... -- David Herron, ukma!david@ANL-MCS.ARPA, cbosgd!ukma!david (Soon -- david@UKMA.BITNET, and (hopefully) david@ukma.csnet) Hackin's in me blood! My mother was known as Miss Hacker before she married!
john@gcc-bill.ARPA (John Allred) (10/05/85)
In article <4387@alice.UUCP> ark@alice.UucP (Andrew Koenig) writes: >> I think we all >> agree that it is legal for me to make a tape copy of my LP > >We do NOT all agree that it is legal for you to make a tape copy of your LP. > >My understanding is that that specific issue has not yet been >tested in the courts, and its legal status is therefor uncertain. >I'm sure some lawyer out there will correct me. I'm not a lawyer, but if memory serves, owners of a copywrited work are allowed to make copies for "personal use", or something like that. -- John Allred General Computer Company uucp: seismo!harvard!gcc-bill!john
shun@ucla-cs.UUCP (10/06/85)
In article <1234@tekgvs.UUCP> keithe@tekgvs.UUCP (Keith Ericson) writes: >.......... what if I >already own an LP version (purchased legally and owned legitimately) of >the CD and now want to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? I think we all >agree that it is legal for me to make a tape copy of my LP; am I >restricted from making a copy of the same material from my friend's CD >just because I don't own the copy in that specific medium? Does purchase >of the LP give me the right to make a Beta HiFi copy of the CD? When the price of a CD is higher than that of an LP, and assume that the quality of the Beta HiFi (or digital cassette) copy is the same as that of the CD, which is (assumed to be) better than your LP, you are now getting something better (and more expensive?) then what you paid for. Is that OK or not? Well, I'll leave it up to you. By the way, although CDs and digital cassettes will possibly have different sampeling rates so that people won't be able to make binary copies, are there going to be pre-recorded digital cassettes? If so, people can still make copies from pre-recorded cassettes.
tdn@spice.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA (Thomas Newton) (10/14/85)
> By the way, although CDs and digital cassettes will possibly have > different sampeling rates so that people won't be able to make > binary copies, are there going to be pre-recorded digital cassettes? > If so, people can still make copies from pre-recorded cassettes. A recent issue of "Digital Audio" says that the manufacturers are working out details of a standard which has Recording and playback at 48 KHz Playback only at 44.1 KHz (for prerecorded tapes) Possibly extra copy protection codes on top of the rate difference So the decks will be incompatable with both CDs and prerecorded tapes. I think the first manufacturer to introduce a CD-compatable deck will clean up, and the rest will be forced to follow suit or take enormous losses. -- Thomas Newton Thomas.Newton@spice.cs.cmu.edu