human-nets@ucbvax.ARPA (02/21/85)
From: Charles McGrew (The Moderator) <Human-Nets-Request@Rutgers> HUMAN-NETS Digest Thursday, 21 Feb 1985 Volume 8 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Queries - Arpanet Map & Electronic Mail Directory, Responses to Queries - Non-computer electronic mail (2 msgs) & Re: Trying to Reach Someone (2 msgs), Information - VideoTech Mailing List, Computer Networks - Stargate (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun 10 Feb 85 15:00:56-EST From: Vince.Fuller@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Subject: Request for information Does anyone know if there is an online, up-to-date map of the ARPANET (just Internet network #10, not the whole network) online? I am interested in finding out which IMPs are connected to each other and which ones do routing for various parts of the network. Thanks in advance... ------------------------------ Date: Wed 20 Feb 85 06:52:31-EST From: Wayne McGuire <MDC.WAYNE%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA> Subject: Electronic Mail Directory To: telecom@BBNCCA.ARPA, info-nets%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Cc: zbbs%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Does anyone know if any work is underway somewhere to develop an online directory of all electronic mail users and addresses? The online directory of Arpanet/Milnet users at SRI-NIC provides a model of what I have in mind. It would be most helpful if the NIC directory were expanded to include the electronic addresses of users of MCI Mail, Easylink, Compuserve, The Source, Delphi, Bitnet, Usenet, and other computer networks, and made generally available. A directory of all electronic mail users in the world would in fact probably fit handily on one or two laser disks. These disks could be updated monthly, and widely distributed to local nodes and perhaps even to individuals. One might enrich this tool with a natural language interface for searching the directory, and some software which would know the best (if any) route to send mail from one node to any other node on any net. This is a product which is begging to come into existence. -- Wayne McGuire <wayne%mit-oz@mit-mc> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 85 12:58:09 pst From: dual!paul@Berkeley (Paul Wilcox-Baker) Subject: Re: Non computer electronic mail systems > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 85 13:14 IST > From: Henry Nussbacher <VSHANK%weizmann.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA> > Subject: Non computer users use of electronic mail > Are there any networks or individual nodes who allow mail to be sent > to "non-computer" users? Does mail that is destined for > non-existant users go to some high speed printer and then torn off > and stuck into an inter-office envelope? What are the pitfalls of > such a setup? Is it necessary to assume that all "humans" on the > network actually know how to use a computer to receive electronic mail? Yes there is. It is known as telex. Users of the system need to be able to do little more typing. Telex messages can also be sent by anyone with a suitable modem and a terminal or computer. Unlike USENET, you do not have to work out the message routing yourself. The only pitfall of the system is that messages seem to be a little expensive per bit. The system can reliably deliver messages to far more people the USENET can do. > Is there any RFC standard for sending electronic mail to a node that > should be printed as opposed to delivered? This is up to the user at the receiving end. Paper is the usual default. It is much harder to lose or forget messages that way. Paul Wilcox-Baker. ------------------------------ Reply-to: VSHANK%WEIZMANN.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Date: Thu, 14 Feb 85 10:40 IST From: Henry Nussbacher <VSHANK%weizmann.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA> Subject: Need for another reserved userid at all mail nodes Cc: <DCrocker@Udel-Relay.ARPA> After having posted a request here for information about being able to send E-mail to a person that is not a computer user and have it printed and delivered via internal mail, I received many replies from various people on various networks and I thank all of you. But the one thing that kept reoccurring in all the mail was that each site had a dedicated userid that accepted hardcopy mail, i.e.: John Smith - Room 1212 <HARDCOPY@node.ARPA> The userid for the hardcopy capability varied and that was the hitch. I would be forced to remember the hardcopy userid for each node. What I would like to propose is an addenudum to RFC822 to add another reserved userid (in addition to POSTMASTER) and call it HARDCOPY (or anything else people care to agree on). Sites that do not have a HARDCOPY userid will merely return the mail as undeliverable due to 'not valid userid'. Those sites that have a hardcopy facility will print out the mail in their mailroom and have it delivered as a Telex or internal mail would be delivered. Many sites have this capability already but it seems to be localized to a site and not to the network as a whole. In this way, many sites would be able to save alot of their Telex costs. Sound reasonable? Hank ------------------------------ From: decvax!utzoo!lsuc!msb@Berkeley Date: Tue, 12 Feb 85 00:30:54 est Subject: HUMAN-NETS Digest V8 #4 A.K.Dewdney is on the uucp net, or was a few months ago at least. His address was then: decvax!watmath!deepthot!yndrd decvax talks to Berkeley's ucbvax and other major uucp sites. Mark Brader ------------------------------ Date: 15 February 85 20:51 EST From: RMXJITRY%CORNELLA.BITNET@Berkeley Subject: University of Western Ontari Originally sent from: RMXJITRY@CORNELLA Originally sent to: BOEBERT@HI-MULTICS.ARPA In order to reach someone at the University of Western Ontario I would suggest writing the Postmaster and asking for the userid of this Alexander K. Dewdney. To do this, send mail to the following: postmaster%deepthot.cdn%ubc.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa This routing is for mail coming from ARPANET - it is actually easier to send mail via BITNET to CDNNET - but that is another story. -- Gligor Tashkovich CCS Network Consultant RMXJITRY%CORNELLA.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 1985 0029-PST From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow <Geoff@SRI-CSL.ARPA> Subject: New Mailing List -- VideoTech@SRI-CSL. To: Past HOME-SAT & Video-Disk mailing list people:: ;, To: cc: Zellich at SRI-NIC.ARPA, Telecom at MIT-MC.ARPA VIDEOTECH@SRI-CSL VideoTech represents a rebirth and combination of the HOME-SAT, VIDEO-DISC and TELETEXT mailing lists. Appropriate topics for discussion on VideoTech might be, but not limited to: - Home Satellite (TVRO, DBS) - Cable Television - Video Disc Technology - Video Tape Recorders (Beta/VHS/UMatic) - Teletext - Stereo Television - HighRes Television All requests to be added to or deleted from this list should be sent to VIDEOTECH-REQUEST@SRI-CSL Coordinator: Geoffrey S. Goodfellow <Geoff@SRI-CSL> [You need to send a message to VideoTech-Request@SRI-CSL if you want to be on the list. Getting a copy of this message doesn't mean your on the list.] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10-Feb-85 14:29:09 PST From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@RAND-UNIX.ARPA> Subject: Stargate Stargate is a project that I developed and implemented as an experiment in conjunction with the Usenix Association. It is still in its very early stages. The message from Frank A. resulted in a massive outpouring of statements against that author and his message, which was not only exceedingly impolite but also massively misleading. I was indeed deluged with mail, but 99.99% of it was totally supportive of the project and urged me to ignore such "comments" and not allow them to ruin the project. I was quite encouraged to see the massive outpouring of support for the project that was triggered (obviously unintentionally) by that message. I can only state that the message in question represented a miniscule percentage of opinion and was to be expected when anything new was presented to a large group of people. Somebody will scream at you about anything. Unfortunately, I simply do NOT have time to bring up all the details and issues here in HUMAN-NETS, nor am I regularly reading this list these days (simply from lack of time). The various issues surrounding Stargate have been discussed in VOLUMINOUS detail (including some very long explanatory pieces by me) to the Usenet net.news and net.news.stargate groups over the last several months. There is simply no way for me to take the time now to try summarize that mass of data. If you have access to Usenet news archives I encourage you to start reading and draw your own conclusions. Be sure to read as much as you can, since some articles present misconceptions which are then corrected in later articles. A very short explanation of Stargate: Stargate is an experiment wherein the technical issues of transmissing Usenet netnews-type materials over the vertical interval of a major cable television satellite service (WTBS) are being investigated. The mode of transmission is being investigated as a adjunct to the current telephone-based transmission schemes. The experiment is still running at this time. Discussions are now beginning between various parties (The Usenix Association, the satellite carrier who controls the WTBS vertical interval, and others) to determine the shape of an actual service (as opposed to an experiment) in terms of resource allocation, specific services, content, liabilities, costs, and a whole range of other topics. Once again, I must emphasize that I do not ordinarily read this list regularly and that I will most likely be unable to respond to comments on this topic in this list. I can only point you at the volumes of material already available on many Usenet systems. The whole project, from my original conception to my installation of the computer equipment in Atlanta, and onward to the present, has been done totally on a volunteer basis, and it has been eating up increasing amounts of my consulting time. As new people join in on Usenet, more and more people contact me regarding the project (questions, comments, wanting to help, wanting to participate) and I simply do not have the time to start another cycle of such discussions here! I am a consultant by trade and the time I spend on Stargate is time that I'm not making money to pay the rent. I will report on Stargate as appropriate in this list as it passes through various phases of the experiment. In the meantime, if you want more information, please see the Usenet net.news and net.news.stargate groups (if you have access to them). Most of the really basic information was sent out a couple of months ago, but many sites should still have it online. Once again, I will most likely be unable to respond to discussions in this list regarding this topic for now. I apologize for that, but the nets have grown far too big for me to conveniently deal with even the volumes of non-mailing-list mail I receive these days, given my high visibility. --Lauren-- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 85 15:50:46 PST (Thu) Subject: RE: Stargate From: peck@sri-spam If the promoters of Stargate are concerned about the satellite carrier being sued for the contents of the messages, then i suggest that that is the issue to attack, not Stargate itself. Is AT&T liable for messages transmitted over the current network? (Is Anaconda Copper liable?) Seems to me that since the source of every message is identified in that message, that responsiblity for that message is already established. If all messages are moderated, then would the moderator be liable !? If you want to avoid the menace of moderated newsgroups, why not direct your efforts toward getting a legislative or judicial ruling on the issue instead of trying to sabatoge future technology. That way, everybody wins. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1985 09:09-PST From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow <Geoff@SRI-CSL.ARPA> n047 1202 12 Feb 85 BC-WORDS (Newhouse 003) Take Our Word for It column (Editor's note: Take Our Word for It is prepared by the editors of Merriam-Webster Inc., publishers of Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary. Readers' questions are welcome and should be mailed to Take Our Word for It, in care of this newspaper.) Newhouse News Service ... Dear Editor: My friend is a computerholic; he just can't get enough of his machine. Another friend called him a ''hacker.'' Is he criticizing or complimenting my computer friend? - C.N., Georgia. Dear C.N.: Because the word ''hacker'' has received some bad press in the past year or so, with stories of hackers breaching security into computer systems, the word does have some negative connotations for many people. But the examples of usage in our files suggest this is not the case within the industry itself, where use of the term may actually indicate a degree of awe. So your friend can continue to be a hacker with pride. ... RB END (DISTRIBUTED BY THE NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE) nyt-02-12-85 1503est *************** ------------------------------ End of HUMAN-NETS Digest ************************