sherman@cmu-ri-leg.ARPA (Andrew Sherman) (03/12/85)
I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? Thanx Drew
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (03/12/85)
> I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's > game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? How about buying a copy of the game?
freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) (03/15/85)
> > I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's > > game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? > > How about buying a copy of the game? I second that, software should not be pirated. Especially good software, like anything from Infocom. From inside the Tesseract of Clancy Malloy
jenkin@utai.UUCP (Michael Jenkin) (03/15/85)
In article <203@ihu1n.UUCP> freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) writes: >> > I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's >> > game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? >> >> How about buying a copy of the game? > >I second that, software should not be pirated. Especially good software, >like anything from Infocom. > >From inside the Tesseract of > Clancy Malloy Infocom's approach of adding props to their games will probably not stop all pirates. After all you can always photocopy those little bits and pieces (like the fluff in HHGTTG). However it must be VERY anoying to be playing a pirated version of Suspect (for example), pick up a rumpled business card, examine it, and get the message A copy of the card is included with the game. Michael Jenkin {wearing peril-sensitive sunglasses}
sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) (03/17/85)
>>> I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's >>> game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? >> >> How about buying a copy of the game? >I second that, software should not be pirated. Especially good software, >like anything from Infocom. >From inside the Tesseract of > Clancy Malloy Can't disagree with you about software piracy. But what makes you think he's pirated it? -- Sean Casey UUCP: {hasmed, cbosgd}-\ {ucbvax, unmvax, boulder, research}!anlams---ukma!sean {mcvax!qtlon, vax135, mddc}!qusavx-/ ARPA: "ukma!sean"@ANL-MCS or sean%ukma.uucp@anl-mcs.arpa
freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) (03/18/85)
> >>> I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's > >>> game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? > >> > >> How about buying a copy of the game? > > >I second that, software should not be pirated. Especially good software, > >like anything from Infocom. > > >From inside the Tesseract of > > Clancy Malloy > > > Can't disagree with you about software piracy. But what > makes you think he's pirated it? > > -- > Sean Casey UUCP: {hasmed, cbosgd}-\ > {ucbvax, unmvax, boulder, research}!anlams---ukma!sean > {mcvax!qtlon, vax135, mddc}!qusavx-/ > > ARPA: "ukma!sean"@ANL-MCS or sean%ukma.uucp@anl-mcs.arpa *** GETTING LONG, ISN'T IT *** I believe it's priated because the game comes with what is being requested. Packaged with the game are four things... The disk, A book of instructions, A price list for the Outfitters, and the booklet that he is looking for. From inside the Tesseract of Clancy Malloy
sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) (03/19/85)
>I believe it's priated because the game comes with what is being >requested. Packaged with the game are four things... The disk, >A book of instructions, A price list for the Outfitters, and the >booklet that he is looking for. >From inside the Tesseract of > Clancy Malloy That's like accusing someone of stealing a car because they are trying to find a hubcap. -- Sean Casey UUCP: {hasmed, cbosgd}-\ {ucbvax, unmvax, boulder, research}!anlams---ukma!sean {mcvax!qtlon, vax135, mddc}!qusavx-/ ARPA: "ukma!sean"@ANL-MCS or sean%ukma.uucp@anl-mcs.arpa
freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) (03/20/85)
>> I believe it's priated because the game comes with what is being >> requested. Packaged with the game are four things... The disk, >> A book of instructions, A price list for the Outfitters, and the >> booklet that he is looking for. > >> From inside the Tesseract of >> Clancy Malloy > > That's like accusing someone of stealing a car because they are > trying to find a hubcap. I don't believe that is the case for a number of reasons. First: The request was for a copy of copyrighted material. Second: If they bought the game, they would have it. If it was lost, the could call Infocom. Infocom would send a new copy of the booklet. That is provided that the software was registered. Third: Cars are not priated, they are stolen. There is a difference. From inside the Tesseract of Clancy Malloy
jenkin@utai.UUCP (Michael Jenkin) (03/20/85)
In article <1395@ukma.UUCP> sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) writes: > > >>I believe it's priated because the game comes with what is being >>requested. Packaged with the game are four things... The disk, >>A book of instructions, A price list for the Outfitters, and the >>booklet that he is looking for. > ... > >That's like accusing someone of stealing a car because they are >trying to find a hubcap. > Yes but if you received a car without a hubcap you'd probably go back to the distributor to get a new one, rather than asking people on the street if you can borrow theirs. -- Michael Jenkin University of Toronto USENET: {decvax,ihnp4,allegra}!utcsrgv!utai!jenkin CSNET: jenkin@Toronto BELL: 416-978-7321
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (03/21/85)
> That's like accusing someone of stealing a car because they are > trying to find a hubcap. Not really -- if he registered his purchase with Infocom via the usual postcard included in the game, he should be able to get them to send him a replacement at little or no cost. How does one LOSE an Infotater or a Book of Shipwrecks, anyhow?
ron@wjvax.UUCP (Ron Christian) (03/21/85)
>>>>> I need the numbers from the Book of Shipwrecks for Infocom's >>>>> game Cutthroats. Can anybody out there help me?? >>>> How about buying a copy of the game? >>>I second that, software should not be pirated. Especially good software, >>>like anything from Infocom. >>Can't disagree with you about software piracy. But what >>makes you think he's pirated it? >I believe it's priated because the game comes with what is being >requested. Packaged with the game are four things... The disk, >A book of instructions, A price list for the Outfitters, and the >booklet that he is looking for. Perhaps a stray cup of coffee? Or the family dog? -- Ron Christian (Watkins-Johnson Co. San Jose, Calif.) {pesnta,twg,ios,qubix,turtlevax,tymix,vecpyr,isi,idx}!wjvax!ron "...so I did a 'fmt trip.report > trip.report' and..."
sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) (03/23/85)
>Yes but if you received a car without a hubcap you'd probably go >back to the distributor to get a new one, rather than asking people >on the street if you can borrow theirs. >-- >Michael Jenkin University of Toronto You don't seem to be getting my point. The point is that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. Don't go accusing people of stealing unless you can prove that they have done so. I'm not saying that he couldn't have stolen the software, but I will refuse to make a stand, as some have, until I know the facts. I have had to deal with software companies before, and I know that even with the reputable ones that delays of 4 to 6 weeks are the rule rather than the exception. If I had lost a manual (gee what a cosmic possibility) then I would find it much easier, faster, and less expensive to copy it from a friend than to correspond with the software company. Sean -- Sean Casey UUCP: {hasmed, cbosgd}-\ {ucbvax, unmvax, boulder, research}!anlams---ukma!sean {mcvax!qtlon, vax135, mddc}!qusavx-/ ARPA: "ukma!sean"@ANL-MCS or sean%ukma.uucp@anl-mcs.arpa
john@hp-pcd.UUCP (john) (03/23/85)
<<< Infocoms getting a lot smarter with their game packaging. Rather than a simple disk in a envelope that screams "Copy Me" to any pirate they are including accessories that are part of the game and really make you feel that you got something besides bits. In Cutthroat the Book of Shipwrecks contains a map that has depth readings in various shades of blue that all drop out when copied on a standard copier. Tricky. John Eaton !hplabs!hp-pcd!john
jhull@spp2.UUCP (Jeff Hull) (03/28/85)
First we have Michael Jenkin University of Toronto >>Yes but if you received a car without a hubcap you'd probably go >>back to the distributor to get a new one, rather than asking people >>on the street if you can borrow theirs. Then, in article <1448@ukma.UUCP> sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) writes: >You don't seem to be getting my point... in this country you are >innocent until proven guilty. > >I have had to deal with software companies before, ... I would find it >much easier... to copy (a manual) from a friend than to correspond with >the software company. While I absolutely agree with Sean (& current American jurisprudence) that a person accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I am also aware that an "it's not MY problem" attitude is necessary for behavior like software piracy to continue. How often do you think people would continue to pass around stolen (that's what it is, you know) software if they knew that the community (that's us, folks) would take action against them were such behavior discovered. Perhaps Mike made an imprudent conclusion, but I would ask the original poster to follow up with the original serial number of his copy of the program before I sent him a copy of the book. And I ask that anyone else out there who is considering sending him a copy do the same. And I would check that the serial number has the same format as my own. ... -- Blessed Be, Jeff Hull {decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,scdrdcf,ucbvax} 13817 Yukon Ave. trwrb!trwspp!spp2!jhull Hawthorne, CA 90250