fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU (Erik E. &) (10/15/85)
In article <372@ihlpl.UUCP> res@ihlpl.UUCP (Rich Strebendt @ AT&T Information Systems - Indian Hill West; formerly) writes: > >To quote Mr. P. T. Barnum: "There is a sucker born every minute." It's a pity that people don't complete that quote properly; P. T. Barnum said, ``There's a sucker born every minute, and two to take him.'' waiting for Ponzi to incorporate to sell Newman's machine, Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU
ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) (10/15/85)
> In article <372@ihlpl.UUCP> res@ihlpl.UUCP (Rich Strebendt @ AT&T Information Systems - Indian Hill West; formerly) writes: > > > >To quote Mr. P. T. Barnum: "There is a sucker born every minute." > > It's a pity that people don't complete that quote properly; P. T. Barnum > said, > > ``There's a sucker born every minute, and two to take him.'' > > waiting for Ponzi to incorporate to sell Newman's machine, > > Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU To those of us who remember what happened to the French company (ELF?) a couple of years ago this is really small potatoes. Now that was a scheme to remember, imaginary rays probing the limits of oil fields, faked computer graphics output, drooling government officials, and best of all the spectacular disappearance of large amounts of money. -- "Superior firepower is an Ethan Vishniac important asset when {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan entering into ethan@astro.UTEXAS.EDU negotiations" Department of Astronomy University of Texas
sgcpal@watdcsu.UUCP (P.A. Layman [EE-SiDIC]) (10/16/85)
> >To quote Mr. P. T. Barnum: "There is a sucker born every minute." > It's a pity that people don't complete that quote properly; P. T. Barnum > said, > ``There's a sucker born every minute, and two to take him.'' > waiting for Ponzi to incorporate to sell Newman's machine, > Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU Yes there are several "Sucker's" born every minute. Unfortunatey in this case the true sucker's are likely to be the people that have ridiculed the original posting without any investigation on ther own part. Indeed several reliable and independent sources have confirmed the performance of this machine. (See October's Science Digest if you don't believe me). I've often wondered if what it would be like to be living on a flat earth at the centre of the universe. Paul L. sgcpal@watdcsu.UUCP
rimey@ucbernie.BERKELEY.EDU (Ken &) (10/18/85)
>... Indeed several reliable and independent sources have >confirmed the performance of this machine. (See October's Science >Digest if you don't believe me). I haven't looked at a Science Digest in the last few years, but I recall that the magazine contained much pseudoscience. National Public Radio was mentioned in a previous article. Do they have staff with scientific training? I doubt it. Sadly, even the NY Times "Science Times" section is of very poor quality. Two better sources of science news for the popular audience are Science News and Scientific American. Science News has more news but more inaccuracies. Neither magazine prints articles on pseudoscience. I won't tell anyone not to read Science Digest and Omni and such, but it sure would be nice if they glanced at Science News so that they might understand which ideas are taken seriously in the scientific community. Anyway, this energy machine being discussed is nonsense. Converting copper into energy with an electromechanical device is ridiculous for two reasons: 1. There is a conservation law that says you can't destroy nucleons (neutrons and protons) except by annihilating them with antinucleons. You might violate this law with a super high energy accelerator, or with a black hole, but probably not with more mundane apparatus. 2. Converting copper into energy with coils and rotors is almost as implausible as building a fusion reactor with gears, levers and string. Drawing energy from the earth's magnetic field is not as silly an idea, but not a plausible explanation for this device either. Perhaps someone else can explain to us exactly how hard this would be. My intuition tells me that you would at least need an apparatus with a size closer to that of the earth. Perhaps the machine draws energy from cosmic rays. Perhaps from the motion of the earth through the ether. This kind of speculation on how this machine works is a waste of time. The machine is a hoax. Think about how to convert matter into energy. But understand nucleon conservation first. Think about how to extract the energy of the earth's magnetic field. But think about this in the context of conventional electromagnetic theory. Think about violating the known laws of physics. But, first understand where and where not those laws are known to be accurate. Ken Rimey rimey@dali.berkeley.EDU ucbvax!dali!rimey
friedman@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU ( -Gadi ) (10/19/85)
You can also light florecent bulbs by holding them near high voltage lines..
-Gadicrs@lanl.ARPA (10/23/85)
> You can also light florecent bulbs by holding them near high voltage lines.. > > -Gadi Or a radio transmitter's antenna. -- All opinions are mine alone... Charlie Sorsby ...!{cmcl2,ihnp4,...}!lanl!crs crs@lanl.arpa