[net.cycle] helmet

shazam@mhuxl.UUCP (Tom Marsden) (02/05/85)

I just purchased my first bike and need to acquire a helmet.
Being that a helmet is the most important piece of safety equipment
that I will buy, I am looking for recommendations from experienced
motorcycle owners.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Tom Marsden
AT&T Bell Laboratories
(201) 582-6202
mhuxl!shazam

lee@unmvax.UUCP (02/07/85)

 The best, supposedly, is one that is SNELL approved. This is a foundation
which, among other things, tests how well a helmet can protect your
head. It is a very long and drawn out process for the manufacturer and
they usually charge more when their product bears the SNELL sticker.

 Even after SNELL has tested the initial helmet design and it goes
into production they periodically come back and pull random samples
from the line to make sure that the final product is still up to par.

 DOT (dept. of transportation) has minimum requirements for helmets
and yours should also bear a sticker indicating that it has met these.
One problem is that this standard is messed. Helmets that do almost
nothing for you will meet them. Some of these helmets can dimple in during
a crash. They are fine afterwards, usually. You just pop that old dent
right out. Aha, but can you pop the dent out of your head?

 Stick with a SNELL approved helmet. When I bought mine (SNELL 75)
I was told, "your neck will break before enough damage can be done to your
head to damage your brain." After reading some articles and watching a special
on our PBS station I have come to believe that statement.

 I have a BELL star. It is drafty but I like alot of wind. It allows for
VERY good peripheral vision. It fits snugly (as any helmet you own should).
I have also owned SHOEI and find them comparable to what I have now.

 Take great care in finding a helmet that fits you well and remember
to look for that SNELL sticker inside!

			Safe riding,

cliff@unmvax.UUCP (02/07/85)

>  Stick with a SNELL approved helmet. When I bought mine (SNELL 75)
> I was told, "your neck will break before enough damage can be done to your
> head to damage your brain." After reading some articles and watching a special
> on our PBS station I have come to believe that statement.

One exception to this rule is JEB's from Italy.  They do not have either SNELL,
or DOT approval.  I wouldn't recommend most non SNELL helmets, but I have seen
the remains of a friend's JEB's after he lost control of his BMW somewhere above
105m.p.h.--quite the conversation piece, and he is around to converse too.  (He
had a limp for a while, but I think that has gone away).  He had just had his
accident when I was about to buy my first full face helmet, so I went with
JEB's.

>  I have a BELL star. It is drafty but I like alot of wind. It allows for
> VERY good peripheral vision. It fits snugly (as any helmet you own should).
> I have also owned SHOEI and find them comparable to what I have now.

I have a JEB's.  It isn't drafty; I don't like a lot of wind.  It too allows
for VERY good peripheral vision and fits snugly.  BTW, I believe AGV makes
fairly sturdy helmets also (another Italian company).  My p.o.s.s.l.q. has
one, she has a small head and had a hard time with other helmets...  I don't
know of anyone who has dumped their bike in one though (and I hope I don't
learn).

>  Take great care in finding a helmet that fits you well and remember
> to look for that SNELL sticker inside!
> 
> 			Safe riding,

	ditto.

	--Cliff [Matthews]
	{purdue, cmcl2, ihnp4}!lanl!unmvax!cliff
	{csu-cs, pur-ee, convex, gatech, ucbvax}!unmvax!cliff
	4744 Trumbull S.E. - Albuquerque  NM  87108 - (505) 265-9143

gadfly@ihu1m.UUCP (Gadfly) (02/07/85)

--
> I just purchased my first bike and need to acquire a helmet.
> Being that a helmet is the most important piece of safety equipment
> that I will buy, I am looking for recommendations from experienced
> motorcycle owners.  Any advice would be appreciated.
> 
> Tom Marsden

This experienced rider would also like recommendations for
a helmet--full face.  I've had my Snell 75 Arai for about
5 years now.  The fit is good, but the straps are getting
very frayed.  I never liked the snaps on the face shield,
because (1) they are invariably misaligned on replacement
shields, and (2) those snaps are inoperable with heavy
gloves on anyway.  But the price was right when the '75
Challenger-X was superseded by their Snell 80 line.

Desirable features (I think) for a full-face hat are:

(1) a face shield that seals well, but that can be lifted
    up easily, without having to unsnap anything.
(2) availability of replacement shields at reasonable price.
(3) good resistance to fogging and icing.
(4) full helmet integrity without the face shield.

While I'm at it, I'll repost (the initial posting was several
months ago) my inquiry about how to cut down on fogging and
icing.  Has anyone out there had any success (or failure)
with the any particular anti-fogging/icing preparations?
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bob@cygnet.CYGNETSYSTEMS (Bob Clark) (02/10/85)

I'm also a brand new rider.  After hearing about it on the net, I took 
the Mortorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) course, which I HIGHLY 
recommend.  After finishing the course, I bought a good leather 
jacket, leather gloves, a Shoei helmet, and a new 84 Honda 650 
Nighthawk.  Great stuff!  And thanks to all the netters for the 
unknown encouragement.  

As far as the helmet goes, the Shoei has one feature which I really 
like, and would greatly miss.  The face shield ratchets up and down 
with about 7 stops.  The first one is the most important - you can 
ride on cold days with the shield open a notch and it won't fog up, 
due to the increased air flow.  Being able to quickly flip it open and 
closed at lights is very worthwhile.  

Hope you have as much fun as I'm having!

Bob Clark, Cygnet Systems, Sunnyvale, CA  hplabs!cygnet!bob

dewey@ttidcb.UUCP (William Dewey) (02/11/85)

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I own about three helmets..... so I'll let fly.....


Simpson model 61..... good visiblity..... and you can also wear glasses with
	them.... big problem..... the shield flops down..... sounds like
	a feature till your in a fogg, or the rain.... and for whatever
	reason need the *&&^* thing up for awhile..... This is a fairly
	heavy helmet.....

Shoei T-100..... Kevlar helmet..... (ar ar..... bullet proof) also Snell 85
	approved..... fits very tight across the cheek bones, and this takes
	some getting used to..... other then that I love it..... has a rachet
	mechinism for the visor (althought the visor is still plastic
	with no coating for fogg and/or scratch protection) very spensive
	(200)... another problem..... the rings on the strap are very close
	to the helmet..... so I cant hang the helmet on my helmet thingy
	on the bike..... ah well..... I guess I can carry it into
	restaurants.

Nava SupergalixnavaII (Yup I dont know if the spelling is even close) this
	is the first helmet I owned.... and the only I have crash expeiance
	in (thank Crom).... I didnt even feel the impact ( I was told I
	did 3-4 somesaults while flying over the car.... score:9.9...
	I didnt keep my ankles together... and the landing was weak, but
	good creativity :-)


Just commentary..... If you do alot freeway riding, or riding at speed...
	only consider snell approved helmets..... and '85 is better....
	ABSOLUTELY dont buy a used helmet..... And in my opinion.... a
	helmet is a one crash only (no matter how minor) device....
	(my insurance company agrees by the way...) If you only plan
	to drive around town (speeds less then 35) then DOT approved
	should be OK..... Snell (I think) was originally for racing
	helmets only..... a low speed impact in a snell helmet will
	give you a headache..... they are very 'hard', but you will
	live (at least your head) through a high speed impact, and/or
	repeated impacts (Ie rolling at 55mph).


	Rich Silva (aka ttidcb!dewey)
	Manhattan Engineering

dewey@ttidcb.UUCP (William Dewey) (02/11/85)

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	The Shoei T-100 is a great helmet, and meets your criterion....
	It has a rachet adjsutable shiled (although I dont know the cost
	of replacement..... is pretty light..... (kevlar)...

	anti-fogging.... hmmm. Shoei has this nose shield thing that
	works pretty good..... the idea being... keep the moisture
	away from the shield.... I've also had good luck with Nava
	anit-fogg stuff... although it must be re-applied often...
	There's also a few anti-fogg glasses cleaner sprays that
	work well, and claim to be safe for plastics....

	Rich Silva

darryl@haddock.UUCP (02/14/85)

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I just purchased a Shoei RF-5V, which is their Snell 85 replacement for the
ER-7 (I am told).  It does indeed fit snugly across the checkbones, but not
uncomfortably so, at least for me.  Pluses include 7 ratchet position shield
and a 3 ratchet-position cam gizmo that pushes the shield up EVER-SO-
SLIGHTLY.  Also, two open/close vents over the forehead (haven't had a need
for them yet, its only 80 in LA right now, but wait till the summer comes
:-).  The only minus I've noticed so far is that the D rings are made from a
flat, wide wire, so the tab trick on my old Vetter doesn't work (a small
piece of webbing material around the inside D ring can be pulled outward and
left while the strap is pulled to the right so that the whole shebang comes
off in one smooth motion).

		--Darryl Richman
		...!cca!ima!ism780!darryl