[net.rec.photo] 5247 Info

bryan (11/03/82)

In response to Jim's questions about Eastman 5247 color negative
film here are some observations:

1) Its a color negative film.  The hype about slides and negatives is
just that, hype.  You can get slides from ANY color negative material,
just print them.  By the by, make sure that the new long-life Eastman
print film is used otherwise your slides will rapidly fade.

2) 5247 and its ilk are tungsten films.  If you expose them to daylight
without a conversion filter (85B I think) you will overexpose the blue
layer by about a stop.  This produces gross crossover (that when the
exposure density curves don't track parallel) and terrible color.  For
any one that prints color I had to use .30CC cyan(!!!) filtration to 
print some 5247 exposed to daylight.  Never could get really good color
saturation and color balance throughout the print.

The good news is that if you use 5247 with an 85B the color is quite good
and the grain is almost invisible.  RMS granuality is 5, according to
the Great Yellow Father, thats down there with Kodachrome.

3) All the Eastman motion picture color negative films have a remjet anti-
halation backing.  Thats a carbon black compound applied to the back
of the film to prevent reflection of light from the base.  Its conducting
and serves to prevent static discharges in a mp camera.  I have heard that
it will damage the film pressure plate in your camera.  I tend to doubt
it since Kodachrome also uses remjet.  I do know that it rubs off and forces
you to CAREFULLY, no pressure please, clean the plate.

As far a commercial processors go remjet is about as welcome as a tar baby.
That and the requirement for cyan filtration (no modern color film requires
cyan filtration) when used in daylight tends to keep you captive to those
speciality labs.  If you have PROCESSED negatives exposed at the correct
color temperature you can get them printed at a standard lab.  5247 has an
orangey mask, looks a lot like the old Kodacolor X, so be sure to specify
"print like Kodacolor II"; the dyes are much more modern than Kodacolor X.

I will be happy to respond further if anyone else is interested.  Also if
there are other photo hackers out there I would be interested in sharing
comments on soups.  Net.rec.photo.hackers maybe?

-Bryan Lyles
University of Rochester
allegra!rochester!bryan
seismo!rochester!bryan

tw (11/05/82)

#R:rocheste:-16400:hp-pcd:7800005:000:720
hp-pcd!tw    Nov  4 14:26:00 1982

	Re: net.rec.photo.hackers or whatever - there really isn't
	enough traffic in this group to justify a subgroup.  Would
	anyone really object to this sortof stuff appearing here?

	I haven't spent much time in the darkroom in the past year
	or so, so I don't really have any burning questions...but:

	Has anyone tried any of the new technology black&white
	films?  Such as Ilford's XP-1 or the Agfapan Vario-XL or
	whatever they call it...  I shot a roll of XP-1 and was
	pretty satisfied with the quality, but I still have about
	20 rolls of HP-5 to burn before it is time to think about
	switching over.  Anyone with extensive XP-1 experience?

Tw Cook  -  HP Personal Computer Div, Corvallis OR  -  harpo!hp-pcd!tw