[net.rec.photo] Dedicated Flash

cly (01/27/83)

Here's something else I learned while shopping for a flash:
If your camera has a "through-the-lens" flash exposure metering
system, be VERY careful when buying a second-source flash
such as Vivitar, Sunpack, etc. They don't NECESSARILY take
advantage of this feature. The ads all IMPLY that they do, but
check it out. I called Vivitar concerning my Nikon FG and was
told that the module didn't provide the feature, but they
would have one out "soon". Another camera I know of with 
this feature is the Olympus OM-10 (possibly other Olympi).
Carl Yaffey  cbosgd!cly

sundar@cwruecmp.UUCP (Sundar R. Iyengar) (02/01/84)

I have several small questions for the experts.  I am looking for an
electronic flash unit for my Canon AE-1.  I would like to buy a
dedicated unit.  What I would like to know is what is meant my
dedication.  Does the camera instruct the flash as to the duration and
the strength of the flash light? This would probably require a focal
plane photodetector to measure the light falling on the film.  I am not
sure if Canon AE-1 has such a feature. Can I leave the camera on
automatic when the dedicated flash is mounted?

I would appreciate recommendations on what the best flash for this
camera is. I usually do indoor photography when working with a flash.
The one feature I would like on my flash is a tilt head. I am willing
to spend about $100.
Thanks.

Sundar Iyengar
sundar.Case-Western@Rand-Relay
decvax!cwruecmp!sundar

Posted: 12:30:42 pm, Wednesday February 1, 1984.

notes@harpo.UUCP (02/03/84)

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!imm    Feb  3 08:47:00 1984

I have a Canon A-1 .  As i understand it, when it is dedicated,
when  you install the flash, the aperture is controlled by
the flash and the shutter speed is automatically set to
1/60.  A year or two ago in one of the photo magazines,  there
was some info that nondedicated flashes could cause some problems
in the camera and they recommend the camera be in the off position
when installing the flash.  I bought a Canon 533G and have had no problems

Irv McNair
ATT Bell Labs, Whippany NJ

dsg@mhuxi.UUCP (GREEN) (02/03/84)

Path: ..floyd!mhuxi!dsg (David S. Green AT&T Bell Laboratories)
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Before joining Bell Labs, I was the Manager of Planning at Berkey
Marketing Companies ( distributers of Konica, Sigma, Rollei, Nimslo
and other brands).  I acquired an in-depth knowledge of the marketing
practices of the photographic wholesale and retail distributors.  To 
say that they are unethical is an understatement.  In answer to your
questions :

1.  Dedicated means whatever the manufacturer wants it to mean for their
ad campaign.  Do not trust any definitions given by fan magazines;  their
main source of revenue is advertising, they will not bite the hand that 
feeds them.  Usually, dedicated is defined as a flash that fits the camera's
shoe and will automatically deliver somewhere near the right amount of light
in a "normal" environment.  In practice, it does not matter much where the
sensor is, either in the camera body or on the flash or an attachment.

2.  You can get a dedicated flash from either the camera's manufacturer,
in your case Canon, or from Sigma or Vivitar.  If you follow the 
instructions you will get acceptable results.  Unless you really know
what you are doing a tilt head can produce undesireable results, such as
color tint from non- 18 percent grey ceilings.

If I were you I would visit my local camera store and get either the
Canon flash for the AE-1 or a SIGMA/VIVITAR, whichever is cheaper.
I dont' think that you should spend any more than 75 to get what you
need.

David S. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Short Hills, NJ
mhuxi!dsg

rwp@hogpc.UUCP (R.PAUL) (02/03/84)

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Dedicated flash generally means that when attached to your camera, the 
dedicated flash will automatically set the correct x-synch shutter speed
(1/60 sec. for the AE-1).  Certain cameras (e.g. the Minolta X-700) which
have off-the-film-plane metering (OFP) for flash do have special metering
cells for metering the light of the flash and shut the flash off when the
"correct" amount of light has reached the film plane, but only if the flash
is a flash which is set up for this feature.  Many dedicated flashes for
these cameras are not.  In your case, it doesn't matter since the Canon AE-1
doesn't have OFP metering for flash.

There are several flashes which would serve your purpose.  Of course, you
can get a Canon flash, but its price performance will probably be at least
slightly inferior to that of at least two competitors which I will mention
presently.  Those competitors are Vivitar and Sunpak.  The flash number for
Sunpack is 422D (although it has two other models which are approximately the
same depending on your specific requirements).  I believe the Vivitar flash
is the 3500, but I don't have much experience with Vivitar flashes and  so
don't know if they've come out with anything since that model which would be
a better choice.

I'll describe the Sunpak 422D flash system since that is the one I am familiar
with (and own), but most of the description will probably apply to the Vivitar
flash, too.  The flash comes in two parts: the flash body and the dedicated
module to fit the specific brand of camera.  This arrangement makes it easy
if you have two different cameras, but only want to save money in buying a
flash.  By buying only one flash body and two dedicated modules, you can have
a flash for both cameras.  The price of the flash body and dedicated module
together should come to about $100 +/- $25.

The flash head tilts 90degrees vertically and 180 (or maybe it was 360)
horizontally.  Accessories available include: a filter set, a zoom attach-
ment, a bracket mount/extension cord/cable release (sold separately, but
all necessary to make good use of the bracket mount), an umbrella for soft
lighting, Nicads, several Nicad chargers, slave units, PC cords, and
probably much more that I am forgetting about.

This may sound like an advertisement, but it is merely the sound of a very
satisfied customer.  (I own the 422D and many of the accessories for my
Minolta XD-11 and X-700.)

				Rick Paul
				AT&T Information Systems Laboratories
				Lincroft, New Jersey
				ihnp4!hogpc!rwp

dmmartindale@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Martindale) (02/16/84)

When shopping for "dedicated" flashes, read the data sheets very carefully
to see which "dedicated" features are actually supported.
For example, I recently bought a Minolta X-570 and, shortly thereafter,
a Minolta 360PX flash.  When the camera is set at "A" and the flash at "TTL",
then when the flash is charged:
	1) the shutter speed is set to 1/60 automatically
	2) the "60" LED in the finder blinks to indicate flash ready
When the shutter is released:
	3) the flash duration (and thus light output) is controlled
	   by a photocell in the camera reading light off the film
	4) If there was sufficient light for the shot, the "60" LED
	   in the finder flashes rapidly for 1 second to indicate this.

Now, any flash which implements any one of these features could probably
claim to be "dedicated".  In fact, Vivitar and Sunpak units implement
features 1-3 - a respectable showing.  But only Minolta flashes, of all
those available, provide the sufficient-light indication in the finder.
I considered this important enough to pay the extra money for the Minolta
flash.  (The fact that the Minolta had manual power output settable
in 1/2 stop increments, and the simplest calculator dial I'd seen, didn't
hurt any either.)

So compare features very carefully.