[net.rec.photo] slide projectors

gjg@druxm.UUCP (12/12/83)

I have owned a Bell & Howell slide cube projector with zoom and
autofocus for ten years or so.  I have had no problems with it.
I think it is probably the only practical projector for the
serious photographer.  I would not be surprized if the Kodak
Carousels or Leitz projectors were better optically, although
I've never seen a side by side comparison.  But, serious
photographers who are interested in sharpness, etc., also
often have many thousands of slides, as I do.  It is simply
not practical (or economical) to store thousands of slides
in Carousel trays, even in a large house.  The other alternative
of using the Carousel stack loader simply does not offer the
slides adequate storage protection.

Speaking of storage protection, I used to have a Sawyers with
rototrays.  During this period, I lost some slides because of
fungus problems, I believe because air could circulate around
the slides.  Since I have used the Bell and Howell slide cubes
I've had no more problems.

Several of my friends and relatives have had problems with their
Slide Cube projectors.  In every case, the preview viewing screen
was loose, allowing air from the fan to lift up the slide and cause
the projector to jam.  A little judiciously placed glue will solve
this problem, without disassembling the projector.  The only
persistent problem is that the B & H will not reliably handle
slides with crumpled mounts, but I don't know if the Kodaks will
either.

				Gary Grimes
				AT&T Information Systems
				303-538-4253
				(Denver)

knudsen@ihnss.UUCP (12/12/83)

I already posted a favorable article on the Kodack Carousels, but
now that someone else mentions it, the fact is that the Kodak lenses in
these machines aren't all that hot.  On mine I've noticed that you can
focus the center of the slide, or focus the edges sharply -- take your pick.
Nice to know that Leitz retrofit lenses may be available--after what I've spent
on camera gear lately, maybe should treat the projector to something good--mike k.

porter@inuxd.UUCP (J Porter) (12/13/83)

Since everyone seems to be knocking Kodak Lenses, let
me give you the straight poop on them.  I sent mail to
the original requestor, but for the rest of you here goes.

A few years ago, I used to work for Kodak (KAD Hawkeye Works
for those of you in the know), and I revamped the machine
that tests all of Kodak's Carosel Lenses.  The bad PR on
Kodak's lenses is coming from "Curve field zoom lens owners".
Compared to their other lenses, this one really sucks;
however, this is the big runner.  If you want a good lens,
get a fixed focal length lens - they make two sizes.
The MTF (Modulation Transfer Function) of the fixed focal
length lenses is great!  (ie:  the ability of the lens
to resolve things in the corners (radially and tangentially)
is the same as in the center, and the corners are in focus
at the same time the center is.)  The zoom lens however,
has problem in getting the edges in focus, at the same time
the center is.  It is a much more complicated lens to design
and manufacture.  The same is true for zooms on your SLR.
You are going to get a better picture from a fixed focal
length lens.

Now what about this "curved field stuff"?  Well, everyone
knows that slide will "buckel" from the heat of the light.
Kodak had statistically studied the buckeling of slides
and has compensated for this in their lens design.  (ie:
the film is curved, so lens was designed for a curved
focal plane, so that the edges and center would be in
focus at the same time.)  For all you hard core slide
enthusiasts that don't believe in buckeling film,
Kodak still makes the old reliable flat field lenses,
just like everyone else.  Again the zoom model is not
as good as the fixed focal length lenses.

I can bet that most people show their slides in the very
same location everytime, and really don't need the zoom feature.
Unless you regularily have to adapt to different
projector to screen distances, don't get the zoom.
Stick with a fixed focal length, curved field lens,
you'll be amazed at the difference.

Jeff Porter  (inuxd!porter)
AT&T Consumer Products
Indianapolis

smith@umn-cs.UUCP (12/15/83)

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umn-cs!smith    Dec 14 13:38:00 1983

Re: Problem with Sawyer's circular trays

Aside from the problem I mentioned previously (they don't fit Carousel
projectors that every AV department has) they DO have a mechanical
problem compared to Carousels.  The Sawyer trays use little springs
to hold the slides in place.  If the springs loosen enough (or you push
a slide 'just right') slides can fall out of the trays.  Not so with
Carousel trays which have a retaining ring that clamps the slides
in place.

  In practice, though, I've had almost no trouble with slides falling
out of my trays...

Rick.

len10@ihuxw.UUCP (L. C. Dombrowski) (09/05/84)

          Last winter there was a discussion  on  this  net  regarding
          slide  projectors.   I  remember  some glowing comments on a
          Leica 300RT.  I want to upgrade from my Sawyer  which  tends
          to  nick cardboard slides, gives mediocre image sharpness at
          the edges of the projection, and frequently jams slides from
          the stack loader.

          My questions are:

            1.  Does the 300RT have autofocus?

            2.  Is it compatible with Kodak slide trays and the  Kodak
                stack loader?

            3.  How does it compare to the Kodak  Carousel  for  image
                sharpness,  image  brightness, and quiteness of opera-
                tion?

            4.  Is it worth the extra $200 over the Carousel?

          Thanks in advance.

ark@rabbit.UUCP (Andrew Koenig) (09/07/84)

Answers to questions about the Leitz RT-300 projector:

	1.  Does it have autofocus?

		Yes.

	2.  Is it compatible with Kodak slide trays and the
	    Kodak stack loader?

		Yes.  Lenses too, mostly.

	3.  How does it compare to the Kodak Carousel for image sharpness,
	    image brightness, and quietness of operation?

		Noise level is about the same.  The difference in
		brightness and sharpness is immediately apparent
		to the most casual observer.  It's so bright, it
		looks like it should burn a hole through the screen,
		not to mention your slides, but it doesn't.
		In fact, a review I read says that it is unusally
		gentle to slides, heat-wise.

	4.  Is it worth the extra $200 over the Carousel.

		Yes, except that the difference is MUCH less than
		$200.  For instance, the September 1984 issue of
		Modern Photography has an ad from Olden Camera
		offering the Leitz projector for $349.  (This is
		the new model that will synch to audio-visual
		doodads; I expect you can find the older one for less).
		Kodak projectors are offered in the same ad
		for $104 to $279.  It is probably most reasonable
		to compare the Leitz with the $279 model,
		for a difference of $50.  I don't know exactly
		what features the Kodaks have, but I'll bet the
		difference between the Leitz and the cheapest Kodak
		with autofocus, remote control, and timer
		(all of which the Leitz has) is still well under
		$200.

I would pay $500 for the Leitz projector (if I couldn't get it
for less).  I have compared the Leitz with a top-of-the-line
Kodak, side by side, on the same slides.  They were simply
not in the same league.  Then, just for fun, I swapped lenses.
The result was a dramatic improvement in the Kodak's image
and a dramatic deterioration in the Leitz's image, but the
Leitz projector with the Kodak lens was still better than
the Kodak projector with the Leitz lens!