[net.rec.photo] Compact 35mm Autofocus Camera query

kanner@tymix.UUCP (Herb Kanner) (04/04/85)

In article <772@peora.UUCP> san@peora.UUCP (Sanjay Tikku) writes:
>> <<<>>>
>> 
>> I am thinking of getting a second camera of the "point and shoot" variety.
>> My price range is between $75 and $125. So far I have my eye on the Minolta
>> "Talker"
>>
>> Has anyone used this camera? Are any of the other compact 35mm cameras equal
>> in quality for less money?

I would like to call attention to an article in the current issue of Modern
Photograpy, in which it states that all of the "point and shoot" autofocus
cameras do not truly autofocus.  Instead, there are four specific focussing
positions (zones), and the sensor determines which zone is chosen.  This
criticism does not apply to autofocus SLR cameras, such as the Minolta
MAXUM, which have a real servo driving the focussing gear to focus
precisely on the chosen object.
-- 
Herb Kanner
Tymnet, Inc.

doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) (04/08/85)

Since the question of whether auto-focus is desirable or not has been
raised -- I haven't used AF, but my brother refuses to use one again.
It's too slow for action shots -- by the time it has focussed and the
shutter opens, the "picture" is gone.  And when shooting through closed
windows and the like, it focusses on the glass instead of the subject.
-- 
Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug

san@peora.UUCP (Sanjay Tikku) (04/12/85)

> Since the question of whether auto-focus is desirable or not has been
> raised -- I haven't used AF, but my brother refuses to use one again.
> It's too slow for action shots -- by the time it has focussed and the
> shutter opens, the "picture" is gone.  And when shooting through closed
> windows and the like, it focusses on the glass instead of the subject.
> -- 
> Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug

 I must respond to Doug for the above advise. I disagree with it 100%.
 I have used Nikon's L35AF with no complaints. Since, it focusses on the
 subject in the center one should attempt to keep the subject there in
 times when depth of field is small. With good depth of field it is not
 critical at all. As far as the slowness is concerned, it is simply an
 incorrect statement when generalized to all AF cameras. The Cannon's AF
 ( I can't recall the model # but it is the equivalent of Nikon's L35AF)
 takes 6 snaps a second and all you got to do is to keep the click button
 pressed. For taking photographs through glass, well that's easy, all you
 got to do is to lock focus on a distant object and then take the photo
 through glass. I have had no problems till now. The AF cameras are good in
 normal daylight conditions. The difference starts showing up ( say with
 Minolta's X700) when light conditions are poor or when the frame contains
 subjects with extremely high contrast.

 I personally believe that getting a good picture requires skill on the
 photographer's part and his/her understanding of various fundamentals of
 photography. I have seen people spoiling films while using them in
 Minolta X700. Now is that a bad camera.

 In my opinion, AF cameras are very good for people who do not want to
 bother about turning knobs and checking settings. It still requires a
 basic knowledge of photographing.



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herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong [DCS]) (04/13/85)

In article <813@peora.UUCP> san@peora.UUCP (Sanjay Tikku) writes:
> The Cannon's AF
> ( I can't recall the model # but it is the equivalent of Nikon's L35AF)
> takes 6 snaps a second and all you got to do is to keep the click button
> pressed.
i find this statement hard to believe.  my $400 motor drive with high
voltage pack will only do 5 frames/sec.  yes, mine's an SLR, but even with
the reduced moving mass and parts of a leaf-type shutter, i still find it
hard to believe because if i were a manufacturer, i would never put such
cappability into the hands of what is most likely to be a beginning
amateur.

> I personally believe that getting a good picture requires skill on the
> photographer's part and his/her understanding of various fundamentals of
> photography. I have seen people spoiling films while using them in
> Minolta X700. Now is that a bad camera.
very true.  the camera ultimately just records what the photographer has
envisioned with varying degrees of assistance.

> In my opinion, AF cameras are very good for people who do not want to
> bother about turning knobs and checking settings. It still requires a
> basic knowledge of photographing.
you'd be surprised how little.  i used to sell cameras for a living.
most people buy these types of cameras because they don't want to learn
if its their first camera beyond an instamatic-type.  pro's buy these 
because they fit into a pocket.

>		Sanjay Tikku

Herb Chong...

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