[net.rec.photo] Orphaned Response

mark (04/02/83)

#R:tekid:-99400:zinfandel:10200003:000:32
zinfandel!mark    Mar 26 10:28:00 1983

gino@voder.UUCP (Gino Bloch) (09/11/84)

<fogged negative>

Re: problems with local labs printing 5245 (sp?)

Kodacolor film is sort of prefogged with a dye that compensates
for a problem with another dye in the negative; the various mail-order
movie films don't have that, and the local labs aren't equipped
for that problem.
-- 
Gene E. Bloch (...!nsc!voder!gino)

jacob@hpfclo.UUCP (jacob) (09/12/84)

I've been using these films (through Seattle Film Works) for a few years
now.  I'm quite happy with development prices, and with the slides.

My complaint is the negatives.  If you just take them to an inexpensive
we-send-it-to-Kodak place for reprints, the colors that come out are lousy.
The prints are usually brownish, sometimes greenish.  I haven't tried to
send the negatives to Seattle Film Works for reprints, because they cost
much more (as far as I remember, the latest pricing is something like 35
cents per print, $5 minimum, + shipping?)  Granted, it's still cheaper than
prints from slides.

Once I got my reprints order back with a note that their lab (wherever King
Soopers, of Colorado sends their stuff) is not equipped to handle the
process for which the negatives are meant.  Any comments on that???

Jacob Gore
inhp4!hpfcla!jacob

rjn@hpfcmp.UUCP (rjn) (01/14/85)

re:   FD35-105 on Canon A-1

I have this same  combo (as well as an  FD50/1.4,  FD50macro,  FD70-120,
RF500  [mirror] and 2x extender).  The 35-105 is the lens I leave on the
camera  most  of  the  time.  The  500(!)  is the  next  most  used.  My
girlfriend  also has an A-1 and  35-105.  I use her 24mm  for the  wider
shots.

Advantages:
  * Excellent "snapshot" lens,  covers most casual situations.
  * Matches  coverage of typical  flash units - I use a 199A and a 533G,
    and its nice not to have to fool  around with wide or tele  adaptors
    as I zoom.
  * Acceptable  image quality - it takes better  pictures  than I do.  I
    have  never  found a  3rd-party  lens  that  met  this  requirement,
    especially  zooms.  Non-Canon  lenses tend to be dark  and/or out of
    focus in the corners.  Most also still use the old breech-lock  ring
    mount.
  * Two-ring - you can zoom without upsetting the focus.
  * Size - it fits  [mounted] in most camera bags.  My girlfriend  keeps
    her's in a small "holster" type bag.

Disadvantages:
  * Front  element  rotates  as  you  focus.  This  makes  the  use of a
    polarizing  filter a nuisance.  You also can't use a "cutaway"  lens
    hood.
  * Front element is 72mm.  Filters are therefore expensive.
  * Two ring - focusing-while-zooming takes practice.
  * A low end of 28mm focal length would have been more useful.

Trusting that this is useful...

Bob Niland
Hewlett-Packard
Ft. Collins.  CO
[hplabs!]hpfcla!rjn

darryl@ISM780.UUCP (03/02/85)

>                   The Olympus was discarded because it didn't
>even have manual, some other one (Canon? it's been a couple of years)
>was too hard to run in non-auto mode.

Please be careful here.  The Olympus OM-[1-4] ALL have a manual mode which
is quite pleasant to use.  The OM-10 has some add on gizmo to gain a
manual mode.

I have an OM-1 and an OM-2n, and I use the auto mode on the 2n infrequently.
It's nice to have when you need it, but I prefer using manual because it
makes me think more about the photo I'm about to take.  Sometimes after
doing this routine, I decide the camera can do it for me better, and
then I am happy to let it do its thing.

	    --Darryl Richman, INTERACTIVE Systems Inc.
	    ...!cca!ima!ism780!darryl
	    The views expressed above are my opinions only.

darryl@ISM780.UUCP (03/02/85)

In regards to the possibilty of eating your batteries because the shutter
is open in an attempt to expose the inside of the lens cap:

I'm not sure about the OM-4, but the OM-2 won't shoot more than 1/30 sec.
when it is turned off.  Also, the longest exposure I have been able to
get in auto mode is about 15 min.

I don't see how your batteries can be eaten by doing this once or twice.

	    --Darryl Richman, INTERACTIVE Systems Inc.
	    ...!cca!ima!ism780!darryl
	    The views expressed above are my opinions only.

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (03/05/85)

> Please be careful here.  The Olympus OM-[1-4] ALL have a manual mode which
> is quite pleasant to use.  The OM-10 has some add on gizmo to gain a
> manual mode.
The salesman wsa trying to sell me an OM-10.  The gizmo was a pain.

johnm@python.UUCP (04/29/85)

> Re: Mailorder equipment
> 
>      Both my friend and I have had excellent results with B&H Photo.

I have also had good results with B&H.  Since I am close to NYC, I
usually drive in and get what I want in person, so I can't comment on
their mail order service, but I have found them to be very well stocked
and they always sell at the price in the current Popular/Modern Photo ad.
My stuff has always been in factory sealed cartons, no problems.  It
is, of course, not the right sort of place if you don't know what you
want and want a friendly/knowledgeable salesman to guide you.
-- 
	John Montgomery
	Bell Communications Research
	...{ihnp4, decvax, ucbvax}!bellcore!python!johnm

jib@prism.UUCP (06/25/85)

/* Written 10:30 pm  Jun 16, 1985 by jer@peora in prism:net.rec.photo */
> I have a question about this off-the-film metering... how does it work?
> Don't different films reflect different amounts of light, and in different
> colors?  E.g., of the films I regularly use, one is a dark buff color, one
> is a very light blue, and one is a sickly pink.  Wouldnt the kind of film
> you use thus have an effect on the metering?
> 
> Now, don't misunderstand; I'm not saying "I don't believe it will work,"
> apparently it does... I'm just curious how!
/* End of text from prism:net.rec.photo */

I've had an OM2 and an OM4 -- both with OTF metering for several years.
Apparently the average reflectance of most films is about the same.
By the way, at fast shutter speeds (> 1/60), the light is really measured
off a constant pattern on the back of the focal plane shutter.

Worth noting, however, is that Polaroid's instant transparency films are
much darker in color than standard film and DO NOT work in OTF mode.
And unfortunately, the amount that metering is off will vary depending on
the shutter speed (which determines how much of the film versus shutter
curtain the meter acutally reads).  On the OM-4 I use spot mode for this
film because the spot mode does not read off the film.  With flash, I have
to put the flash on manual or "non-OTF automatic" with Polaroid films.

brucet@hpgrla.UUCP (brucet) (07/30/85)

I have had an OM-4 for about a year now and have had only one problem
with it.  The cap for the LED on the front of the case below the shutter
release came unscrewed.  I just screwed it back on.  

Not using the zone system myself I can't comment on its usefulness but
it looks promising.  I shoot only color but the spot meter is great.
I find myself not needing to bracket exposures or compensate for back
lighting and hope I was close.

I also have the motor drive 2 and the T45 flash.  This is a great
combination for all the different types of shooting I do.  The flash
is especially nice because it recycles almost instantly when used
with the TTL metering mode.


Bruce Thompson   
Hewlett-Packard
Greeley, Colorado

schooler@inmet.UUCP (09/22/85)

I too am interested in older cameras, in fact I collect them!

(The following is a somewhat random discussion of some of my
stranger equipment, so people not interested should take note.)

I collect only 35mm equipment, thus ensuring that my film-size
will not become obselete soon, a fate that befalls many collectors.
I'm currently interested in 35mm range-finders, mainly Canon, but
also Nikon and Leica.

Apparently the period around 1960 was the heyday of "super-speed"
lenses.  It was felt that having the fastest lenses around
increased sales of a firm's cameras, somewhat regardless of image
quality.  The fastest 35mm lens ever made was the Canon 50mm f/0.95.
This is a monster of a lens, as you can imagine.  It came out in
1961 and only fits the Canon 7 and 7s models.  (Even though these
used the standard Leica screwmount, the 0.95 lens mounted on an
external bayonet.)  The Canon 7 models were not particularly petite
either, so the combination is quite eye-catching.

Using the lens is quite an experience.  The lens is so large that it
cuts off a whole corner of the viewfinder.  The depth-of-field wide
open is miniscule, of course, and the optical quality isn't great,
particularly in the corners.  The lens improves considerably when
stopped down :-).  Canon also made an f/1.2 lens, which was also not
exceptionally good optically, and an f/1.4 which was very good indeed.

Meanwhile, the other manufacturers also had their monsters:  Nikon had
a 50mm f/1.1, and Leica still has an f/1.0, though only in M-mount (for
the rangefinder models).  The Canon and Nikon lenses are currently
quite expensive and sought-after collector's items.  (I only have the
Canon, alas!)  Some of Canon's other fast lenses: 35mm f/1.5 (1958),
85mm f/1.5 (1952!), and a 135mm f/2.5 (1959) which mounted on a reflex
housing, which turned your rangefinder camera into a single-lens reflex
in a somewhat inconvenient manner.

Why don't we have as wide or wider lenses on our SLR's today?  The fastest
lens is a 50mm f/1.2, offered by practically everybody.  I believe that
the answer is "back-focus", or the distance from the film plane to the
lens mount.  This distance is shorter in rangefinder cameras than
single-lens reflexes, because of the mirror clearance necessary in the
latter design.  The shorter back-focus apparently increases a designer's
flexibility considerably, especially with shorter lenses.

		-- Richard Schooler
		Intermetrics, Inc.
		{ihnp4,ima}!inmet!schooler

rjn@hpfcla.UUCP (12/24/85)

re: Theft scam: "Not that there is much I can do about it now..."

..  not  entirely  true; you can  continue  to warn  others.  Thanks for the
posting.  You could also contact  your local  paper, the Denver  papers, the
major photo mags, local/Denver TV and of course the police.

I have a standing  policy of never  purchasing  anything  in  response  to a
telephone  solictation (this also shortens such calls dramatically).  I will
now add to that a policy of never providing information either.

On a related  topic:  Was the  equipment  insured?  Homeowner's  or separate
policy?  With which carrier?  Have you settled to your satisfaction?

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland                                            3404 East Harmony Road
[ihnp4|hplabs]!hpfcla!rjn                             Fort Collins CO  80525

notes@sysvis (01/03/86)

In article <816@sfmag.UUCP> howard@sfmag.UUCP (H.M.Moskovitz) writes:
>>> Which is better:  Fujichrome, Ektachrome, or Agfachrome slide film?
>>> Assume ASA of 200 or 400.

>> favor in color balance. In that area, Kodak still tends to favor
>> blues, Fuji likes greens and yellows, Agfa tends toward warm reds

> Please be more specific in such statements. "Ektachrome" ( which
> I admit is what the original poster asked about ) favors blue.
> "Kodak" on the other hand makes many films and, I, for one, would
> be lost but for the warm reds of Kodachrome. [Mike]

I am very interested in buying some ASA 200-400 Kodachrome, Mike.  
Where do you normally find it?  (-:  By the way, (red != magenta).
More important than color balance, in some cases, is image life of the
film.  I seem to remember that Fuji/Ekta process chromes are mostly 10 yr
films (before SEVERE image fading occurs), Agfachrome ~= 4 years, and
Kodachrome ~= 100 years (all archived properly).  Comments anyone?

wjh@bonnie.UUCP (Bill Hery) (01/07/86)

> More important than color balance, in some cases, is image life of the
> film.  I seem to remember that Fuji/Ekta process chromes are mostly 10 yr
> films (before SEVERE image fading occurs), Agfachrome ~= 4 years, and
> Kodachrome ~= 100 years (all archived properly).  Comments anyone?

I used to use Agfa in the late 60's to the mid '70s, and I haven't noticed
any deterioration in my old slides.  I haven't gone back to specifially look
for it, but I think I would have noticed anything major (as I have often
seen on older Kodacolor prints from some processing labs).

BTW, I used to use the Agfa because it had more acurate blacks and
reds than the Kodachrome 64 of that era.  When Honeywell bought out
Agfa's US operations, the qulity of the processing went way down and
I switched back to Big Yellow.  I haven't tried Agfa again.  Does anone
kwno if Honeywell/Agfa got their act together again?  I still don't
like K-64 red (with Kodak processing).

briand@tekig4.UUCP (Brian Diehm) (01/09/86)

> More important than color balance, in some cases, is image life of the
> film.  I seem to remember that Fuji/Ekta process chromes are mostly 10 yr
> films (before SEVERE image fading occurs), Agfachrome ~= 4 years, and
> Kodachrome ~= 100 years (all archived properly).  Comments anyone?

This was true way back in the dark ages.  Kodak now claims that the life of
Ektachrome equals the life of Kodachrome back in the '50s, i.e., 40 years or
so, again with careful storage.  As for the current life of Kodachrome, I
disremember the source I saw, but it was on the order of 100 years or so.

Remember, almost NONE of us have archival storage!  They specify not only temp
and humidity ranges that are acceptable, but also require cycling between these
extremes at regular intervals, as well as specifying standards of air purity
and maximum amounts of exposure to light.

-Brian Diehm
Tektronix, Inc.