[fa.poli-sci] Poli-Sci Digest V4 #92

poli-sci@ucbvax.ARPA (10/05/84)

From: JoSH <JoSH@RUTGERS.ARPA>

Poli-Sci Digest		     Thu 4 Oct 84  	    Volume 4 Number 92
	"The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional 
	 takes a little longer."	--Henry Kissinger

Contents:	Defining freedom and rights
		Letters to Govt Officials
		Homework
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Date: 14-Sep-84 11:56 PDT
From: Kirk Kelley  <KIRK.TYM@OFFICE-2.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Defining "freedom"

I use the following definitions to quantify concepts like "freedom"
and "life".


   freedom: the total capabilities of a control process.

   capability: a controlled alternative: an alternative controlled by a control
   process.

   control process: a negative feedback loop.

   alternative: any possible state of a system.

   time: a process maximizing alternatives.

   life: a process maximizing capabilities.

Despite the current lack of a specific methodology for measuring the
quantity of alternatives actually controlled by a process, I find
these definitions provide a meaningful basis for thinking about
resolving conflicts that arise between different control processes
trying with various degrees of awareness to maximize their
capabilities (individuals trying to live, whatever that means to
them), especially in relationship to their environment which must also
maximize its capabilities for any of its parts to survive.

 -- kirk

[Let's expand these macros.  Freedom is thus: the total possible states of 
 a system controlled by a negative feedback loop.  This being so, we can 
 measure freedom in bits: How many bits are required to measure the number 
 of states between which the control process can choose.
 Consider a frictionless cylinder of gas, sealed at both ends, with a 
 piston in the middle.  If the piston moves from the center, the pressure
 rises in one end and lowers in the other, moving it back in a negative
 feedback loop.  
 We do not have a definition for control, but it seems reasonable to say 
 that the negative feedback process controls the position of the piston
 and the PVT state of the gas.  How many states does the process control?
 In attempting to quantize the position, pressure, volume, and temperature
 we are driven to consider the QM energy level occupancy states.  The
 number of states available depends on the total energy, but we can easily
 imagine such a system having 1E30 states from which to choose. This means
 that the feedback process has about 100 bits of freedom.  Please note that
 this process controls all the states of the system; its control is thus 
 maximized and it is therefore alive.
 It is also interesting to note that the American political process is also
 alive under this definition.  Such a huge, enveloping voracious monster
 Hollywood has yet to dream of.  Notice that the freedom of this Leviathan
 is actually several hundred bits (the number of contested seats in a
 given election).  When we divide that freedom up among the people, however,
 we get about a millionth of a bit apiece.  Oh well.
 --JoSH]

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Date:  Mon, 1 Oct 84 15:20 EDT
From:  Aspnes@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA
Subject:  Objective rights

Sure, there may be an objective system of rights and/or justice.  But
unless it's self-evident, it's in the same boat as the subjective
theories.  I have yet to see a set of principles that does not require
either explicit assumptions or quasi-syllogistical mumbo-jumbo to
justify its apparently subjective premises.  (If you know of one, I'd be
happy to hear about it.)

--Jim (Aspnes@MIT-MULTICS)

[Systems of rights don't really break down as subjective vs objective.
 They are something like geometries; you can have several systems,
 each internally consistent, each "correct".  (They are more complex
 than geometry, so it's harder to get them consistent.)  You can
 take different systems and apply them to different real-world 
 situations with varying degrees of success.   I never heard of
 "subjective" geometry.  --JoSH]

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Date:  1 Oct 1984 0637-PDT
From: CAULKINS@USC-ECL.ARPA
Subject: Kennan on USSR + US policies

In the 24 Sept 84 issue of the New Yorker George Kennan has some
interesting commentary on Russian and American policy in the form
of two letters to anonymous (and probably fictional) high government
officials in each country.  Some quotes:

from the lettter to the Russian;

"... That such things could happen as did happen in the Soviet Union
in those years from 1935 to 1953 - that they could happen, above all,
to a great political movement and a great advanced society in the
modern age - is puzzling enough, but that the political regime through
which, and to which, these things occurred should not be interested,
some 30 or 40 years later, in inquiring into their causes, and should
instead try to bury in oblivion what were, after all, the dominant
domestic-political realities of two momentous decades of Russian
history: this, to us, is not comprehensible at all.

It is, in fact, a bad sign.  When an individual is unable to face his
own past and feels compelled to build his view of himself on a total
denial of it and on the creation of myths to put in its place, this is
normally regarded as a sign of extreme neurosis. ... Can it be
otherwise, we wonder, with a political regime ? ...

let us ... consider certain aspects of the official Soviet personality
(not unconnected, incidentally, with Stalinist traditions) which have
remained generally constant for over half a century and have , in my
judgement, done as much as anything else to poison the relations of
the Soviet Union with the West.  They constitute, collectively,
something that is very hard to sum up in a single sentence ... It has
been sometimes described as the "siege mentality".  It is, in essence,
the state of mind that assumes all forms of authority not under Soviet
control to be, or to be likely to be, wicked, hostile, and menacing.
It conjures up the image of a Soviet regime endowed with unique
insight, wisdom, benevolence, and nobility of purpose, standing out
bravely through the decades against misguided and dangerous foreign
forces, frustrating their evil designs, protecting its own grateful
people from their wily encroachments.  A number of troublesome
phenomena flow from this neurotic view of self and surroundings, among
them the conspiratorial nature of the regime itself; the dark
suspision of everything and everyone foreign; the obsession with
secrecy, espionage, and internal security; the evident compulsion to
conceal and protect the centers of Soviet power with an elaborate
facade; the determination to force others either (and preferably) to
mistake this facade for the reality or at least to connive at the
fiction that it is real. ...

And this does endless damage to your foreign relations.  Consider just
your treatment of the foreign resident in Russia - the diplomat or
journalist.  There is the beady, mistrustful, clandestine observation;
the determination to isolate him from Soviet society ... If an example
of this is needed, take only the recent Soviet televison series so
obviously designed to make the American Embassy in Moscow the target
of general hatred and suspicion. ...

You cannot wall yourselves off in this way, like some Oriental
despotism, and then expect sympathy and admiration and confidence from
the world outside. ... Exaggerated suspicion invites exaggerated
suspicion.  Don't you realize that by this sort of overreaction the
Soviet government has been "graduating" for more than half a century a
new class of embittered foreign diplomats and journalists, and sending
them out into the world to spread their bitterness  ? ...

They [Soviet authorities] probably do not wish the Soviet Union to
appear threatening, but they are also not unhappy that it should
appear strong - perhaps, even, stronger than it really is.  If this is
the case, I am sure they are making a mistake, for we are all now in
the danger zone with our wild military competition, yet the impression
of a Soviet Union arming inordinately, needlessly, and with implacable
determination, in a manner explicable only by aggessive intentions,
rests in large part on just such uncertainties, and on just the
exaggerated speculations they encourage. ...

The concept of bilateral relations that sees the two sides as two
deadly spiders in a bottle, only one of which can expect to survive,
is now self-defeating even from the standpoint of national security. ..."

from the letter to the American:

"...I believe that it is generally recognized today that the nuclear
balance, whatever it may once have been, has long been subject and
continues now to be subject, to steady destabilization by precisely
this process of technological innovation, the pace of which is faster
than the pace of negotiation. ... Nor, incidentally, will the Russians
have forgotten that they once negotiated with us for some 6 or 7 years
over a second SALT agreement, only to see us, after signing it,
decline to ratify it and then add insult to injury be reproaching THEM
repeatedly with allegedly violating it.  None of this encourages them
to repeat the performance. ...

Despite the fact that there is no political issue in the relations
between the two countries which could conceivably justify a war
between them, the preparations, material and psychological, for such a
war have been allowed to become an ingrained dominating habit not just
for our armed aervices but for large parts of our civilan society as
well. ...  The fleets and planes of the two powers chase each other
about on the high seas and elsewhere, snoop on each other, and take
high risks in the process, with an intensity that could not be greater
if it were known that war was coming next week. ...  Preparations on a
vast scale for a specifically envisaged war, however defensively
conceived or masked, are a species of cogwheel that permits of advance
in only one direction. ...

We can no longer go on talking endlessly about a war with the Soviet
Union and then cllaim we are seriously attempting to avoid it.  We can
no longer try to reassure each other of our patriotic vigilance by
striking the high-pitched heroic-chauvinist note in our
domestic-political discourse and at the same time try to assure the
outside world, including our political opponents, that our aim is only
peace.  The truth is that the general attitude this country has
adopted in recent years in matters of East-West relations, of national
defense, and of arms control is not one that lends much credibility,
in eyes other than our own, to our claimed enthusiasm for renewed arms
talks.  Rather, it suggests an anxious pursuit of that most unreal and
unreachable of all mirages: some sort of nuclear superiority that
threatens the adversary and does not threaten us in like measure. ...

The question is whether business can usefully be done with them [the
Soviets] over the removal of the greatest of all dangers: the danger
not just of nuclear war but of any further great war at all in this
age of high technology and of tremendous - almost uncontrollable -
destructive power.  The fact that the Soviet leaders have no desire
for such a war, and would greatly like to see it avoided, is
unmistakably clear to anyone who knows anything about them. ...

The issue of war and peace is the crucial issue.  The others, real or
fancied - Angola, Afghanistan, Central America, human rights, what you
will - all pale beside it.  These others can wait.  The crucial issue
cannot.  But to get on with this crucial issue (and this is the
essence of what I am trying to say to you in this letter) we will have
to look more closely at ourselves - at our own motivation, our own
behavior, the formative processes of our own society - than we have
done to date.  A mere "return to the negotiating table" will not solve
the problem."

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Date: Saturday, 29 September 1984 11:13:19 EDT
From: Hank.Walker@cmu-cs-unh.arpa
Subject: Re: ban on home hacking

This was discussed briefly on our local opinion bboard:

Current law bans "homework" for women's outerwear, and possibly a few other
items of clothing.  This law was written back in slave labor days, but seems
silly now.  For example, with unisex-style clothing, it is legal to make a
coat with the buttons on the wearer's right (men's style) but illegal to
make the same identical coat with buttons on the left.  The ILGWU guy then
went on to say that computer homework should be banned too.  Comments:

Me:

I believe that the type of home computer work the union leader (the man
behind the union label) has in mind is data entry, not hackers at home.
Data entry operators type in handwritten forms, such as insurance claim
forms, credit card slips, etc.  I know someone who used to do this down at
Mellon Bank.  The work environment is best described as an electronic sweat
shop.  The system monitors your typing rate, error rate, etc, and you are
evaluated on that basis.  Full-time employees in these fields are ripe for
unionization.  However much of the work is part-time, which makes
unionization difficult.  Home-based data entry makes the work even more
attractive to large numbers of women with small children.

I don't think attempts at banning will go anywhere for two reasons.  First,
professional programmers working at home are just as immune to unionization
as professionals at a workplace.  Second, the whole concept of data entry
can be viewed as a temporary hack to make up for the fact that computers are
not sufficiently networked, adequate interchange standards don't exist, and
speech and image understanding isn't there yet.  If the information was
entered as it was created, then most of these jobs would disappear.
Developments such as debit cards (use your Cashstream card at Gulf Oil) are
leading the way.

Dave Black@cmu-cs-a:

Actually I think the unions are after the CRT operators (modern version of
keypunch).  I've already heard mumblings from various groups about how bad
work conditions are, and how awful it is to have a computer measuring their
work output.  If they work at home, unionizing them becomes a non-starter.
On the other hand the engineers (many of whom are programmers) at Sperry
Corporation's Great Neck, NY facility (on Long Island) and possibly
elsewhere are unionized by some part of the AFL-CIO.  [and have been for
some time; original dispute stemmed from management dismissing people just
before they would be entitled to pension benefits and similar idiocy.]  The
only major difference this seems to make is that overtime is not mandatory
(but promotions are less likely if one is unwilling to do it when needed),
and must be paid at overtime rates.

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From: Laurinda Rohn <rohn@rand-unix>
Date: 01 Oct 84 07:51:57 PDT (Mon)
Subject: Sixty Minutes and Working at Home

This is mainly a clarification of what Mike Zaleski said about the
working at home controversy, as he got the story mostly right.

I did see the 60 Minutes segment in question and have been following
the USENET discussion fairly closely as well.  In fact, it is already
illegal for the women in New England to knit their sweaters at home
and sell them.  This apparently dates back to an old law trying to
prevent garment manufacturers from forcing their employees to work
at home for virtually nothing.  The real controversy started when some
law enforcement agency actually went to the home of one of the women
and told her that she was breaking the law.

A point worthy of note is that if the women had been making MEN'S
clothing, they would not have been breaking the law.  Apparently, when
the no home-work law was passed, the legislators decided that men's
clothing was harder to make than women's and required such heavy
equipment that people wouldn't be able to do it at home.

At any rate, the whole situation is absolutely absurd.  These women
are obviously not working in a sweat shop environment.  They are,
however, getting around the unions, which amuses me no end.  I think
this is yet another example of the unions trying to get in where they
don't belong.  But then I'm not convinced they belong anywhere.

An item was mentioned toward the end of the segment that might be of
more direct interest to a lot of us.  It seems that the AFL-CIO is
now trying to get this no home-work law extended to prevent people
from working at home on computer terminals.  I find this even more
absurd than the garment workers law.  I sincerely hope that Congress
doesn't take this seriously.

					Lauri Rohn

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Date: 2 October 1984 06:39-EDT
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  Government on the move: Home computer use

It is already illegal under federal law to make ladies garments
for sale if you work in your own home.  ILGWU doesn't need to
get a law; they only need to (1) keep the one they have and (2)
get marshals to jail the women who use their home kniting
machines to make ski caps, underwear, etc, if intended for
women.  If intended for men it's legal; women are EXPECTED to
make clothing for men, apparently.  ILGWU strikes again.  Sing,
sing the praises.

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Date: Wed 3 Oct 84 10:07:50-PDT
From: Ken Laws <Laws@SRI-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Computer Homework

Re: Women are EXPECTED to make clothing for men ...
The 60 Minutes piece made the point that the homework law was passed
(about 30 years ago) to correct specific abuses.  At the time, men's
clothing was commonly made in factories using heavy machinery.  Women's
clothing was, I presume, more detailed, individual, and delicate; it
was commonly made by hand either in factories or at home.  Times have
changed and the law is now absurd, but I don't expect the law to change
until some larger issue such as computer homework forces a complete
restructuring.

(Factory sweatshops also exist; there are separate laws covering
them, but enforcement is lax.  Milton Friedman apparently
supports such shops as an entry for immigrants and the poor into the
mainstream of the American economy.  The same can be said for
homework.  We certainly should not shut down the workshops unless
we provide alternative channels for these people.)

Computer homework and factory work can be just as abused as any other
kind of work.  Not every terminal is going to have mailer capability
or storage of personal files.  Terminals can be made to count keystrokes
and are thus ideal overseers.  Some legislation may indeed be necessary;
let's just make sure it's sensible legislation.

Don't you wish your congressman had a terminal?

					-- Ken Laws

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Date: Thu 4 Oct 84 14:53:45-PDT
From: Ken Laws <Laws@SRI-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Homework

I just ran across a short article on the telecommuting homework problem
in the May issue of Data Communications.  At that time Reagan was trying
to eliminate the homework laws (including knitting, etc.); other candidates
had taken no position.  It seems that the AFL-CIO has already petitioned
that the current laws be extended to include computer homework after the
members of one of their subunions (United Service Industries Employees?)
voted for such an action.  Politicians have not been very receptive to
the AFL-CIO position.

					-- Ken Laws

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