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From: JoSH <JoSH@RUTGERS.ARPA> Poli-Sci Digest Mon 5 Nov 84 Volume 4 Number 99 Contents: electronic democracy CORPS posting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 84 0805 PDT From: Robert Maas <REM@SU-AI.ARPA> Subject: Discussion of electronic proxy republic Subject: electronic democracy, many replies below... Date: Friday, 19 Oct 1984 14:30-EDT From: sjc@Mitre-Bedford Subject: Electronic Democracy Each senator and representative should have an electronic mailbox on a network so that people could send email to their representatives. I've been wanting this for a long time. I agree it's a good idea. Since the government already pays for free mail from congresscritters to their constituency, it's reasonable for it to also pay for free mail in the reverse direction, so it's not unreasonable for congresscritters to have mailboxes on MILNET with permitted access from ExpArpanet all paid by the government, and permitted access from USENET CSNET BITNET et al with the ExpArpanet&MILNET part paid by the government. Perhaps this government-paid email should be only for constituents to their own congresscritters (two senators and one representative), not to others; If you want to mass-mail to all of the House or Senate you have to use snail-mail at your own expense. Any reason this wouldn't be a good idea or it'd be politially infeasible? Date: Fri, 19 Oct 84 20:37:57 EDT From: Brint <abc@BRL-TGR.ARPA> 2. that the "n" key will be the first to wear out on most keyboards; Could people please refrain from making statements that assume everyone will convert over to using whatever particular mail-reading program is the only one the particular author has used? I don't use the same mail-reader you use, and don't even know what "n" does in yours. Please translate to something more meaningful independent of what particular key on your system invokes it. (I.e. flush the system-dependent jargon and talk plain English/Computerese.) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 84 17:43:53 PDT From: David Booth <booth@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA> Subject: Electronic Democracy -- Discussion? ". . . Participatory democracy includes discussion and debate as well as decision-making." That is a problem. I would suggest some kind of tiered system, based on coalitions: anyone could express a view or opinion to a small coalition. If it the idea was accepted by this group, it would be passed on to a group representing a larger segment of the population, and they would consider it. This process would continue up to the national level. I suggested something like this a couple years ago and I still think it's a good idea to try. It's a reasonable way to generally reduce the amount of junk mail as well as to correct typographic errors and other blunders before too many people have to stub their minds on them. Even if an idea is good, the initial presentation may be suboptimal, and the merging of several viewpoints at a low level can improve the presentation before the idea gets lots of exposure. Date: Thu 18 Oct 84 15:52:39-EDT From: Bernard Gunther <BMG@MIT-XX.ARPA> Subject: Proxy voting One small group of people, who are devoted to some goal, can effectively stop the government from working except when they agree with what is going on. In a networked system around the US, this group could generate mail at such volumes as to prevent an useful messages from being sent. I think the tiered (tree-structure of committees) solves this problem. Date: Fri 19 Oct 84 20:17:53-PDT From: Tom Dietterich <DIETTERICH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Subject: Re: Electronic democracy Networks seem to be good vehicles for collecting bug reports and suggestions for improvements, but I don't think they work well for consensus-building. The Common-LISP@SU-AI mailing list is currently trying to refine the Common-LISP standard to be acceptable to most members. This may qualify as a consensus-building experiment. Perhaps somebody who has been in that group (or another similar group) for a long time could offer comments on whether it's succeeding or not and how much concensus is actually achived online versus how much goes on at in-person meetings after the mailing list has collected random opinions. Date: Sat, 20 Oct 1984 17:07 EDT From: ASP%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: Electronic Democracy proposal (V7 #62) As far as writing your Congressman for 'free' goes, how about going one further and letting everyone read his mail? This would allow interested parties to debate (?) each other in the Representative's inbox That should be the choice of the sender of a message, an "open letter" to the congressman, or a normal closed letter. It would be rude to publish a closed letter you receive or even to quote parts of it without permission. If you're shy about feedback from strangers or you think maybe your position is too controversial and might provoke the wrath of Jerry Falwell, you send a closed letter. If you want to get wide exposure of your idea and want feedback so you can tune your idea to get rid of minor bugs, you send an open letter. Date: Sat, 20 Oct 84 18:36:54 PDT From: David Booth <booth@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA> Subject: Electronic Democracy -- Proxies vs. representatives Proxies should be paid based on how many people they represented, but not necessarily proportionately. There should probably be a ceiling, or the pay should taper off at the top. I think I agree but I'd like to hear some rebuttal. Like if it tapers off then somebody with lots of proxy-constituents won't want any more because they aren't cost-effective, so might get sloppy and not do a good job because if a few constituents are lost it doesn't mean a big deal. Maybe a better idea is to simply have an absolute limit on proxies, with pay linear up to the cutoff point, and a waiting list of additional people who asked for this particular representative too late and are granting their proxies to some other representative (or voting directly) during the wait. If some constituent drops off a particular representative's list, somebody on the waiting list automatically takes the place, automatically dropping off some other constituency list, which if full-with-waiting automatically gets replaced on that list, etc. Since this domino effect is always in the favor of a more-desirable representative for each constituent transferred, the algorithm does terminate in finite time, and with computers doing the transferring automatically the whole process could be almost instantaneous. Second, with a proxy system, if we felt particularly strongly about an upcoming issue, we could bypass the proxy and vote ourselves. But unless we were informed of each vote that was upcoming how would we get to revoke our proxy in time to avoid missing the vote? I think we need a way to indicate different proxies for different subjects. For example I'd probably trust Lauren Weinstein or Mark Crispin or Mel Pleasant or Charles McGrew to be my proxy on matters of computer security, but I'd want somebody else to be my proxy on space habitat, and probably Carl Sagan on arms control, but I'd vote myself on some topics just to make sure the correct vote is entered. If the subject automatically determined who the proxy was, I would have to spend time checking each bill to see whom to assign the proxy to or whether to vote myself. Occasionally my chosen proxy would vote the wrong way from my point of view, but those exceptions would be many fewer than either the present system or a single-proxy system, and much less work for me than keeping track of all bills myself. One problem, subject designations are difficult to assign, and misleading when lots of riders are attached to bills. Maybe if we all vote against any mixed-bag-of-topics bills they will stop getting proposed and the subject designations will become effective at sorting bills according to which proxy? Third, we would have a much wider range of possible proxies than we do of representatives. Yup. Carl Sagan space proxy, unburdened by the 99% of bills unrelated to space or arms control, able to represent us on space and arms control while spending the rest of his time doing other things he does now. With special-topic-only representatives like that able to spend most of their time on useful work and only a little bit on representing us when a bill comes up, a lot more people will be willing to be representatives. It won't be an all-or-nothing thing where you have to give up the rest of your life to be a fulltime congresscritter. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 84 13:41:10 EDT From: Mike <ZALESKI@RU-BLUE.ARPA> Subject: Electronic mail and voting Electronic democracy: Much as I distrust the government, I don't think this is the answer. Some questions: Many people don't bother voting now. Why should such a system inspire any more interest? Given the amount of trash that flows every day in Washington (take a look at the Congressional Record in your library some time), how can people keep up with all of it? Of course, the volume might fall off somewhat (no more National Hot Dog Week resolutions), but more likely people will just ignore vast amounts of it, just like now. Of those who bother to vote, how many know where their elected officials stand on various issues? How many check to see how these officials have voted? Would people be more likely to do this sort of checking on their proxies? This whole idea also strikes me as rather elitist. If one has to pay a proxy to handle their voting, then the poor will have to do their own voting, since they won't have the money for a proxy. Of course, voting will still be difficult for them, as they have no money for terminals. (See closing note below.) Of course, the government could pay the proxies, but that seems like an interesting new opportunity for corruption. The government could provide terminals for the poor or public terminals (sort of like voting machines) but both of these approaches might be quite expensive. Finally, has anyone given any consideration the the security of such a grand system? How will we prevent 15 year old crackers (criminals) from disrupting the whole system? What computer system could possibly support such a grand national operation with reasonable reliability, response time, and security? Closing note: Not only don't the poor have terminals. Most people don't. Sometimes when I read Human-Nets, I get the idea that the people who submit ideas to introduce computers into every facit of life (mail/voting/banking/shopping/magazines/news/etc) have lost sight of one thing: Most people don't want to spend their lives logged in to a computer shuffling through this trash. -- Mike^Z Zaleski@Rutgers [allegra!, ihnp4!] pegasus!mzal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 84 19:40:21 PST From: David Booth <booth@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA> Subject: Electronic democracy; Hierarchical discussion groups Re: Proxies directly charging their clients for the service they provide -- $10/year? This certainly wouldn't work: it would discourage people from using proxies, thus discouraging them from being represented. The poor would go completely unrepresented. This is precisely why each of us doesn't have to pay to vote right now, though elections certainly cost money to hold. No, proxies should be paid by the government, as representatives are now. Re: "[Before telecommunications] it was not possible to have direct democracy on a national scale, but direct democracy was considered (and tried) on a smaller scale and rejected for completely different reasons." [Dehn@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA (Joseph W. Dehn III)] Joseph Dehn gives no explanation as to where, how, by whom, or what kind of "direct democracy" was "considered", and for what "completely different reasons" it was rejected, so all I can do is refute his claim point blank with regard to the proxy system. The proxy system has been tried on a smaller scale and *accepted* -- not "rejected": it has been successfully used for shareholder representation in large companies for a long time. The proxy system per se is not a new idea, but coupling it with today's electronic technology yields some important differences. Along the same lines, hierarchical discussion groups which allow thousands -- no, *millions* -- to participate efficiently were practically impossible before they could be conducted electronically. Now such groups may radically change how we receive information, debate issues, and make decisions. Re: Hierarchical discussion groups -- try them now? Networks such as the Arpanet and UUCP network could provide the basis for experimenting with hierarchical discussion groups right now -- all it would take is some software. Anyone interested in this subject or electronic democracy in general, please send me mail so that followup is possible. -- David Booth {sdcrdcf,ihnp4,trwspp,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!booth booth@ucla-locus.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: Tue 30 Oct 84 12:57:48-PST From: Richard Treitel <TREITEL@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> More problems of democracy: It is also quite strongly (and plausibly) alleged that Mondale was initially opposed to the Grenada operation, until his opinion polls told him to be in favour of it. I think most voters have the feeling that there is a large group of people "out there" who want to, and probably will, overthrow everything that is good, right, and decent unless strong checks and balances are in place to make this hard to do. My personal feeling is that direct democracy would make it much harder to take actions which benefit society while appearing to harm individuals (e.g. require pollution controls on cars). While it can be argued that there are too many of these "do-gooder" laws now, I don't want to swing the pendulum all the way back. - Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue 30 Oct 84 14:11:13-PST From: WYLAND@SRI-KL.ARPA Subject: Electronic Democracy by Proxy <Now for a *radical* proposal. How about giving our proxy the <direct power to vote our taxes? Specifically, how about <assigning part or all of our individual tax dollars directly to <the proxy for assignment by him to worthy projects? There are <many secondary problems to solve, such as long term dollar <commitments and their approval by the voter, but it could be <really interesting. Money is political power. Control of the <money is control of the power. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to <choose - directly, by ourselves - what our tax money is spent on? From: Dehn@MIT <This is a very nice suggestion, except for one slight problem: the <whole POINT of a tax system is to spend your money on things that you <don't want it spent on. This has nothing to do with whether the <government doing the taxing is a "democracy", electronic or otherwise. <If you are going to have the ultimate choice about how your money will <be spent, there is no need for representatives or proxies or tax <collectors; you just write a check (oops, sorry... an EFT request) to <whatever enterprise you want to support. If you don't want to make <all the decisions yourself, you can give to a fund that supports <various worthwhile (according to your view) activities. [...] I'd like to clarify my proxy tax proposal. I assumed that a conventional tax system would be voted where each member of the society pays a tax according to a negotiated rule system, such as the current income tax system. Proxies would then be assigned some or all of the individual's tax amount for voting purposes. I disagree with the idea that the point of a tax system is to "spend [my] money on things I don't want to spend it on." This implies that I am to be used rather than represented by the government. Taxation without representation has never been popular in the US, even in theory. I may not want to spend money on missles and the CIA, but I accept them as necessary evils that we (i.e., the majority) have agreed to support. (Please, no flames. If you don't like my choice, there are many things I am sure you wish you didn't have to support, but accept as necessary.) I also accept the necessity of a uniform, negotiated and agreed-to tax system. I think it is a direct expression of representative government: you are fairly and uniformly taxed in the same sense that you are fairly and uniformly represented. If properly created and maintained, it helps prevent rule by men instead of law, and rule by the rich at the expense of the poor. I think the proxy system makes sense as an extension of current methods rather than as a new form of government. I think of the proxy system is a variation on the existing House of Representatives. Instead of representatives that are elected for years, you have proxy representatives that are elected for as long as proxies are assigned to them, and have political power proportional to the number of assigned proxies. The House is set up on this basis, with representatives proportional to population. The advantage of the proxy system is that it could make the representatives more responsive to their constituants. In the current system, you get a chance to "throw the rascals out" only once every two years or so. In the proxy system, this could occur every few days until someone finally got the message and did what the voters wanted. The proxy system would operate more like a parlimentary vote of confidence on the proxy holder rather than the current, fixed term election system. I agree with others that the proxy system is not a good choice for the executive or judicial arms of the government. In the executive case, it is too slow: executive decisions should not be made by a committee. In the judicial case, it is too fast: the interpretation of the law is based on precedent, i.e. long-term social patterns, not the opinion of the moment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 84 18:41:24 PST From: David Booth <booth@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA> Subject: Electronic Democracy -- Electronic Issue Selection Re: "I'm afraid I can't see the advantages of [electronic democracy]. . . . What's wrong with letting representatives make the decisions in [some areas]?" [eyal@wisdom (Eyal mozes)] Several advantages of Electronic Democracy have been mentioned in previous messages, for example: the ability to choose a proxy you really want, rather than choosing between the lesser of two evils when representatives are elected; the ability to bypass your proxy if you are not sure your proxy will vote the way you want; and the ability to change proxies at any time if you feel your proxy no longer represents your views. The constitution of the United States, flawed as it is, is the best system yet devised . . . . [Electronic Democracy] seems like a prescription for mob rule and a tyranny of the majority. [eyal@wisdom (Eyal mozes)] The constitution -- and little else -- protects minorities from the "tyranny of the majority". It certainly should not be eliminated when electronic democracy is instituted, nor should the judiciary or certain roles of the presidency (notably, command of the armed forces in emergencies). The house and senate could be eliminated if a suitable electronic mechanism for discussing and introducing bills is instituted. Most importantly, Electronic Democracy could help eliminate the tyranny of special interest, which plagues our current system. "[Electronic Democracy] leaves little room for leadership, something which many people value." [ihnp4!utzoo!henry@Berkeley (Henry Spencer)] On the contrary, Electronic Democracy leaves *more* room for leadership: some proxies would undoubtably become very popular, and would provide leadership for many people. By being able to choose *anyone* -- not just the between two competing candidates -- we can each choose the "leader" who best inspires our own confidence and following. Furthermore, people look for leadership in many different areas and forms -- morality, education, technology, economics, to name a few. A single individual cannot possibly fill all these leadership roles as well as separate individuals, specializing more in one area or another. This problem is evident right now: recent polls show that President Reagan's economic leadership has been very popular, but his environmental leadership has not. Why place all our leadership requirements on one person? We do not need an individual leader to fill all leadership roles any more than we need a dictator. Electronic Issue Selection This brings up another possibility. Could we designate a different person to represent us on different issues? Like searching for a mate, it is much easier to find several people who collectively fit the bill, than it is to find a single person with all the right qualities. Could we specify electronically, which proxy should vote for us on what kinds of issues? And if so, how would the issues be catagorized? -- David Booth {sdcrdcf,ihnp4,trwspp,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!booth booth@ucla-locus.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: 1 November 1984 05:20-EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE @ MIT-MC> Subject: Electronic Democracy maybe we could given sufficient electronic communications do away with the legislature entirely except for, say, 30 days a year? "The legislature is in session, and no man's property is safe." or -- but no, Jefferson is no longer in fashion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 84 15:39:41 EST From: Brint <abc@BRL-TGR.ARPA> Subject: Re: Electronic Democracy I guess we'd have to work up to it gradually. For the next few years, I'd be ELATED if a nationwide, terminal-based citizen (constituent, taxpayer, you name it) polling scheme were implemented. Experiments with Usenet-like discussions could follow, preceding some national, binding referendum on a topic of great national interest but (at least at first) not of national survival. Best regards, Brint ------------------------------ Date: 2 November 1984 02:20-EST From: Don M. Matheson <DMM @ MIT-MC> To: David Booth, HUMAN-NETS From: Robert Kubala (c/o DMM@MIT-MC) RE: Computer Aided Democracy. I have been reading with interest the recent Human-Nets discussion that I believe you initiated. I am attempting to write a book on "Computer aided Participatory Democracy" and have a few comments to offer: 1) The worth of computerized aids to democracy seem to rest heavily on two fundamental aspects: a) it can be vastly easier and quicker for 'ordinary' citizens to access information than ever before possible. Pertinant information subjects are problem descriptions, budgets, project progress reports, voting records - and the opinions of other citizens and informal dis- cussions (such as the recent Human-Nets dialog). b) such aids can permit those who have pertinant information to make it available to the public with ease and lack of censor- ship. This might encourage potential providers to make available an abundance of "decision making" information to the public. The idea is to provide true city-wide, national, and perhaps world- wide "market places of ideas" using technology only recently available to humankind. "Decision making information" of political relevance has just been too hard for people to get on a continual, habitual basis. 2) Many arrangements for a Public Information Utility in support of democracy seem to be possible. Two extremes are: a) completely independent "political" data base operations to which people volunlarily subscribe based on interest, and which are owned and operated by private entrepeuners. b) a more formally chartered local Information Utility with published and legally binding rules concerning access by information seekers & pro- viders. And with definite proceedures for submitting proposals to be put up for vote. 3) The problems of filtering out spurious or malicious information, and in forming consensus ar real but probably entirely solvable: a) one solution lay perhaps in the existence of political interest groups which are able to formulate coherent plans of action on which the population as a whole might vote yes or no. b) authors of information might be required to reliably identify themselves and deliberate, malicious abusers deprived of future rights to contrib- ute. c) items provided not for reference only, but to be "mailed" to the population (broadcast style), might first be reviewed by randomly selected sets of people who vote on whether the material should be propogated. d) consensus requires real discussion and understanding. But once practical problems and solution choices are apparent, agreement should usually be possible. In contrast it is normally not possible to gain consensus on matters of personality or ideology. Fortunately practical decisions are what are required to enable people and organizations to function. There is going to have to be much evolution and experimentation before truly democratic action becomes the dominant way of government and organization in general. 4) There is room for delegating limited authority to project leaders, department administrative heads, and a commander-in-chief of national defense. We people do not have to be involved in all details, and emergencies must be handled swiftly. But we people have got to monitor the exercise of power like we have never done before. How and to what extent we must do this is going to have to evolve. 5) "Proxies" as discussed might not be such a good idea. The "demagogery" one might fear in true democracy is based upon the ability of some few to manipulate the many. In order for us people to contribute responsibility to decisions made, we need to be forced to confront practical issues. IE. if we don't study and understand an issue, we shouldn't vote. In voting for representatives or choosing proxies (I'am not sure I see much differ- ence), matters are and will continue to be settled on the basis of person- alities and ideology which they probably should not. Part of the problem with current politics is that politicians and lobbiests can accomplish their dirty little practical matters by throwing up a smoke screen of personality and ideology. 6) If we people want democracy, we can build it within the framework of the U.S. Constitution. The problems are real but solvable. And past Americans have given us the gift of institutions and social instincts which are adeqate to build upon. If we fail to do so, then the very technology which might make us truly free will almost certainly be used against us in a world in which highly centralized rulership has its fingers on increasingly powerful instruments of control and destruction. We're going to get what we deserve. Bob Kubala (c/o DMM@MIT-MC) ------------------------------ Date: 02 Nov 84 10:34:20 PST (Fri) Subject: Electronic Democracy I know that this isn't quite what is meant, but the Democratic and Republican National committees set up discussion groups on CompuServe. While this went more to the party staff than to the candidates, it did serve as a useful place to discuss the campaign with those running it. (I had a beef about a particular line of republican fundraising letters, complained about it, and haven't received one since!) Since CompuServe has in excess of 100,000 subscribers, it is probably a reasonable size for a "test" of electronic democracy. (Now, if we could just get them to put an acceptable mail system on line....) Tim ------------------------------ From: Liz Allen <liz@tove> Date: 2 Nov 1984 1057-EST (Friday) Subject: Electronic proxy republic One thing that concerns me about the idea of an electornic proxy democracy is based on some history in choosing representatives in a somewhat similar fashion. In New York state (in the 1930's?), a system was tried in which the number of representatives each party had in the legislature was proportional to the number of votes each party had received state-wide. But, the idea had to be discarded because it caused the legislature to be so splintered that they weren't able to form the majorities necessary to get legislation formulated and passed. I suspect that a proxy system would suffer from the same difficulties... Re: a good proxy losing power due to a false rumour: It is hoped that the proxy could regain their power once the rumour was proved false -- and could be quickly reinstated. However, I'm concerned that good news never spreads as quickly as bad news and the proxy is likely to have quite a lot of trouble regaining the confidence of his former supporters. My concern here is increased by the media's tendancy to report more on charges that might be raised against someone while neglecting to say a whole lot about it if that person is later cleared of the charges... Part of that has to do with what's news and what's not news, but even so, it leaves mistaken impressions with people. It's possible that increased electronic communication could help reverse this -- the proxy's loyal supporters would have more of an opportunity to publicize the positive outcome -- but I don't know if that'll be enough to offset the damage already done. -Liz Allen ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 1984 1158-PST From: Rob-Kling <Kling%UCI-20B@UCI-750a> Subject: Social Impacts of Computing: Graduate Study at UC-Irvine CORPS ------- Graduate Education in Computing, Organizations, Policy, and Society at the University of California, Irvine This graduate concentration at the University of California, Irvine provides an opportunity for scholars and students to investigate the social dimensions of computerization in a setting which supports reflective and sustained inquiry. The primary educational opportunities are PhD concentrations in the Department of Information and Computer Science (ICS) and MS and PhD concentrations in the Graduate School of Management (GSM). 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