[net.math] Lists of points clarification

monta@cmu-cs-g.ARPA (Peter Monta) (12/17/84)

> Consider a (bounded) line-segment.  Choose point 1 anywhere on the segment.
> Then choose point 2 so that the first two points lie in different halves of
> the segment; choose point 3 so that the first three points all lie in
> different thirds of the segment; etc.  What is the maximum number of points
> you can choose (before further choice becomes impossible)?
>
> Peter Monta
>
>> 	It seems to me that I must be missing something because 
>> this looks easy. If I understand it correctly we are asked to
>>
>>		Greg Rawlins.

... solve a rather ill-stated problem.  Here is a more precise formulation:

Suppose we call a list of points ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_n ) in [0,1)
*evenly distributed* if each segment of the form [i/n,(i+1)/n) for 0<=i<n
contains a point in the list.

The problem asks for a list of points ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_n ) such that
( p_1, p_2, ... , p_k ) is an evenly distributed list for *every* k between
1 and n, inclusive.  What is the largest n for which one can find such a list?

Notice that ( 0, 1/3, 2/3 ) is *not* a solution, since ( 0, 1/3 ) is already
not an evenly distributed list.  ( 0, 2/3, 1/3 ) *is*, however, a solution.

Peter Monta
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lizs@munnari.OZ (Liz Sonenberg) (12/20/84)

> >> 	It seems to me that I must be missing something because 
> >> this looks easy. If I understand it correctly we are asked to
> >>
> >>		Greg Rawlins.
> 
> ... solve a rather ill-stated problem.  Here is a more precise formulation:
> 
> Suppose we call a list of points ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_n ) in [0,1)
> *evenly distributed* if each segment of the form [i/n,(i+1)/n) for 0<=i<n
> contains a point in the list.
> 
> The problem asks for a list of points ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_n ) such that
> ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_k ) is an evenly distributed list for *every* k between
> 1 and n, inclusive.  What is the largest n for which one can find such a list?

  I still don't see the problem.  After an *evenly distributed* list of k points
has been chosen, exactly  k  of the subintervals
[0, 1/(k+1) ),  [1/(k+1), 2/(k+1)), ... , [ k/(k+1), 1)  will contain one of
the chosen points.  By the pigeon-hole principle, there must be an interval
[i/(k+1), (i+1)/(k+1)) that doesn't contain one of the points.   Choosing the
(k+1)th  point in this interval will produce an *evenly distributed* list of
k+1  points, won't it ?   Since the first point can be chosen arbitrarily to
get an *evenly distributed* list of  1  point, it seems to me that the list
can be made arbitrarily large.

				David Wilson
 

lizs@munnari.OZ (Liz Sonenberg) (12/20/84)

> 
>   I still don't see the problem.  After an *evenly distributed* list of k points
> has been chosen, exactly  k  of the subintervals
> [0, 1/(k+1) ),  [1/(k+1), 2/(k+1)), ... , [ k/(k+1), 1)  will contain one of
> the chosen points.  By the pigeon-hole principle, there must be an interval
> [i/(k+1), (i+1)/(k+1)) that doesn't contain one of the points.   Choosing the
> (k+1)th  point in this interval will produce an *evenly distributed* list of
> k+1  points, won't it ?

    OOPS.   Sorry peoples, if I had seriously tried to answer my own question I
ought to have seen my blunder immediately.
						David Wilson
 

holmes@dalcs.UUCP (Ray Holmes) (12/27/84)

> > >> 	It seems to me that I must be missing something because 
> > >> this looks easy. If I understand it correctly we are asked to
> > >>
> > >>		Greg Rawlins.
> > 
> > ... solve a rather ill-stated problem.  Here is a more precise formulation:
> > 
> > Suppose we call a list of points ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_n ) in [0,1)
> > *evenly distributed* if each segment of the form [i/n,(i+1)/n) for 0<=i<n
> > contains a point in the list.
> > 
> > The problem asks for a list of points ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_n ) such that
> > ( p_1, p_2, ... , p_k ) is an evenly distributed list for *every* k between
> > 1 and n, inclusive.  What is the largest n for which one can find such a list?
> 
>   I still don't see the problem.  After an *evenly distributed* list of k points
> has been chosen, exactly  k  of the subintervals
> [0, 1/(k+1) ),  [1/(k+1), 2/(k+1)), ... , [ k/(k+1), 1)  will contain one of
> the chosen points.  By the pigeon-hole principle, there must be an interval
> [i/(k+1), (i+1)/(k+1)) that doesn't contain one of the points.   Choosing the
> (k+1)th  point in this interval will produce an *evenly distributed* list of
> k+1  points, won't it ?   Since the first point can be chosen arbitrarily to
> get an *evenly distributed* list of  1  point, it seems to me that the list
> can be made arbitrarily large.
> 
> 				David Wilson

No - no - no
At MOST k of the intervals will contain one of the points, probably several
contain more than one (violating the condition) point.

					Ray