[net.aviation] Radios on Airlines

wolit (12/15/82)

There's good reason not to allow ham radios on airliners.  The
potential for messing up the cabin pressurization system isn't one of
them.  Sorry, Adam, but there's no way that could happen.
	Jan Woliztky

dwl (12/16/82)

In following up the reply to Adam's article, I don't think Adam
meant that the HT was likely to have any effect on the
pressurization controls.  The problem is that if anything that is
obvious to passengers DOES go wrong, the poor guy with the HT is
going to be blamed for it!  Mostly a PR problem for him, and for the
airline who let him fly with it!

-Dave Levenson
-BTL Holmdel

avsdS:avsdT:wcl (12/16/82)

I haven't seen an answer to the original question, which is
"if airline nav equiptment is so sensitive to RFI, then how much
RFI does it take to mess it up?".  In particular, can ground radios
affect it, or does the faraday cage nature of the cabin keep the RFI
out of the sensitive parts?  And if so, what does that say about the
new composite aircraft (such as LearFan) made of fiber/epoxy (no
Faraday cage effect)?  Also, what about calculators, computers, etc.
I have heard that microprocessors, and radio receivers are banned
for similar reasons, but I have yet to be asked to remove the battery
from my digital watch for the duration of the flight.  What's **REALLY**
going on here?  Is this just the FAA being Pleistocene?

			Bill Lindemann
			atd!avsdT:wcl
			AMPEX Corporation

jak (12/17/82)

As for other rfi, once while waiting  for others to board a flight from 
Denver to Newark, I was speaking with the flight engineer requesting permission
to "listen only" to my 2 meter ht during the flight.  His comments were
interesting ... He said that many times hand calculators and electronic games
used by passengers during flights presented a significant interference
problem to the instruments.  He said that some times, some electronic games
were so bad that they had to walk through the cabin looking for the offensive
device and request that the passenger turn it off!

Jim Kutsch WA8ZNH   hou5f!jak

Schiller@MIT-MULTICS (12/17/82)

From:  Schiller at MIT-MULTICS (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
A VHF or UHF radio of sufficient power (and most HT's are) can mess up
all forms of electronic equipment. Basically if there is a wire (or
printed circuit run) that is just the right length, significant voltages
can develope. I have seen 432MHz radios do things like cause train
crossing gates to go down, and computer systems to crash.  The reference
to a cabin pressurization system came out of a recent issue of QST
magazine. The aircraft I believe was a 747, which has a fairly
sophisticated automatic pressure regulating system that could be knocked
out of kilter by a UHF radio at close range.

		-Jeff