[net.aviation] Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa

esac@ihuxr.UUCP (06/22/83)

I stand corrected on one assertion I made about safety pilots and
logging time.

The latest word I have (from two CFIIs) is that a flight instructor,
while giving flight instruction, always logs the time as PIC, regardless
of the ratings of the trainee.

However, if the trainee is getting instrument flight instruction, is
under the hood, and is not yet instrument rated, both pilots log the
time as PIC.  I can find nothing in the FARs that covers this, but
this is what I am told by people who should know.  At least this week
anyway.

I am also told that if an instrument student is flying with his CFI
under actual instrument conditions, only the CFI can log the time
as PIC and the student only gets the instrument time and dual received.
Since the student is not yet instrumented rated, he cannot get PIC
time under actual conditions.

A question comes to mind here.  Controlled airports consider a special
VFR clearance to land at their field an instrument operation (per a
controller at DuPage Co., Ill. field).  If a VFR pilot gets a special
VFR clearance, could he log his flight time under actual instrument
conditions?  I got a special VFR once and had to stay clear of the
control zone until another plane landed.

						Bill Adams
						ihuxr!esac

SANDY%MIT-ML@sri-unix.UUCP (06/25/83)

From:  Andrew F. Sibre <SANDY @ MIT-ML>


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avsdT:roberts@avsdS.UUCP (06/27/83)

I take it that the article posted as "Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa" is an
attempt at 'netting IFR', or was I wearing my foggles?

(I just can't resist a good joke, even if it is in the wrong newsgroup).

larson@sri-unix.UUCP (07/08/83)

#R:ihuxr:-48100:sri-unix:4000008:000:164
sri-unix!larson    Jun 23 10:00:00 1983

  The controllers keep traffic counts by type (VFR/IFR) for staffing
and equipment justification.  Regardless of how *they* count special
VFR, *you* are VFR.
	Alan